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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Kevin Sinfield has been the most influential player in any side during the SL era - simple.'"
Has been or still is ? And for how much longer.
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| Quote unlucky 13="unlucky 13"Has been or still is ? And for how much longer.'"
He is a player in decline - even in decline he has very few superiors
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"That doesn't really answer the problem though does it?
I don't care if you're Widdop, Brough, Burrow, Smith, Thurston or Cronk.
If your forwards knock on in midfield your halves can't do much,
If your forwards give away head high shots your halves can't do much,
If one of your forwards can't PTB correctly near the opposition goal line your halves can't do much,
If your winger doesn't hustle hard enough for a 40/20 then your halves can't do much........REGARDLESS of who they are.
If we were to beat Australia today then it was going to take 17 guys to do it, that so many on these boards are so obsessed with 2 positions maybe coming up with 'special' stuff is weak and lazy thinking towards the game. Wigan are a perfect example this year of having 'non exciting' halves yet being EFFECTIVE.'"
Have to agree.
However I still say Tomkins would be better in the halves taking the place of Chase - Sinfield looked the better of the two - with Hardaker at FB. (Pretty sure he would not have been outjumped by Ingliss). Widdop was a waste of space and would have another forward on the bench; it also has to be said Ablett is not an international at this level.
As for George Burgess....who was it that said props have to have matured a great deal before they can be considered world class??  Bring on the kids ...
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| The NRL.com player ratings have Sinfield at 8 out of 10. The highest mark they gave any England player.
I suppose some people will just describe them as a parochial Sydney based website that are biased in favour of the Golden Boot winer.
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| I thought Sinfield had a very good game yesterday
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| Get over on to TRL,that's hilarious.Should be nowhere near the England set up,doesn't offer anything at all to the team.
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| Quote SBRhino="SBRhino"Get over on to TRL,that's hilarious.Should be nowhere near the England set up,doesn't offer anything at all to the team.'"
It's a nightmare over there, there's a few posters who just cannot accept Simfield could possibly play well.
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| Quote Old Feller="Old Feller"Do you actually watch any NRL?
Yes I do mate, I did say the Aussies were still in a better position than us in producing halves.
For be the best half back in oz when on the money is Todd carney, it's just a shame he will probably never fulfil his potential because of his baggage and off the field problems.
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| Honest opinion Sinfield has been a great leader for Leeds no one can doubt that, he's a great kicker both with ball in hand and goal kicker.
However how he won worlds best player is beyond me, The Aussies had 3 better players in the same team to start off with in Cronk, Slater and Smith and Tomkins over here was playing better.
Sinfield bit like kick and claps Johnny Wilkinson, great kicker but does he really do all that much with ball in hand or beat a man?
As for England the form halfbacks would have been Smith of Wigan and Brough of Huddersfield.
Will be a Kiwi vs Aussie Final
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| What Sinfield brings is structure and a reasonably cool head under pressure, without which England would look absolutely clueless. We shouldn't need a halfback to just bring that - any top class half back should - but in terms of English there aren't any who can be RELIED on to do it in big games.
That's not to say he'll create bucketloads of tries, or make breaks all over the field. But I've seen plenty of GB/England teams in recent years where the attacking play is literally all over the place because neither halfback has a clue how to run a set of six. The result against Australia is basically embarrassing.
I'd have no problem picking a more dangerous attacking halfback than Sinfield, IF he could also organise. That isn't a strength of Chase or Widdopp (possibly in the future). Brough hasn't ever delivered when it counts, and took his bat home anyway.
As for McNamara, I still am not sure about his actual coaching, but none of the problems England had yesterday were of his making.
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"
As for McNamara, I still am not sure about his actual coaching, but none of the problems England had yesterday were of his making.'"
What about moving Sinfield from 7 to 9? That was clearly pre planned.
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