No, you're not. I rate O'Loughlin massively, because he's one of those players you see on the opposition's teamsheet and think 'Oh crap', and no matter how good people say Tomkins is, O'Loughlin always brings so much more to the table for Wigan.

I think he's the best 13 in the league because he's the best overall player in the league-he combines brute strength, excellent defence and destructive running style with guile, the hands of a halfback and pace.

If he misses the World Cup, England will suffer. Massively.

Good tackler (usually around the head)

The best in the league at laying on or flopping on top of the third man in the tackle.

A reasonable pivot between forwards and backs

A vital player for Wigan though and has improved with age

By classic "13" are some posters thinking of some sort of Steve Norton type ball handler extraordinaire? Is the classic "6" like an injury proof Tony Myler?

For me the best 13s I've seen are Hanley and Pearce, neither great ball handlers, and the best 6s I've seen are Lewis and Lockyer.

Whe I first noticed him he was getting penalised heavily for high tackles,but since Wigan started to improve around 2010 he looks a player that Wigan need.Good player,but if he comes above Peacock in MOS I don't think a Leeds player will ever get the award and I will ignore it in future

Lol, he's done that plenty of times for Wigan.

I think he's a good aggressive defender with no great pace that any other backrower doesn't have. There's a few in Oz that are streets ahead of him like Gallen, Lewis, Bird and Stewart. Probably the best 13 in our comp but I won't gush about him because the competition isn't that stiff.