Its easy to say we've just brought moore and griffin in this season and therefore should not get rid so soon but realistically, Leeds Rhinos should be aiming for a top 3 finish every season. Currently 5th, and have been as low as 8th, I believe 4th should be the minimum for a club of our stature. Therefor I believe that changes need to be made to the squad to be bale to secure a top 3/4 finish. We wont be coming from 5th and winning the GF every season.

Whatever we think of McDermott's decision to put Keinhorst on the bench in the Final, this must indicate that he does think the lad is just about ready to make the step up as a first team regular and could mean he is going to be given the LC jersey from the off next season.

I personally hope this is the case as, although Ablett is a capable centre he is a better backrower and its not as if we are flooded with great back row options at the moment.

If we recalled Amor,McShane and Singleton with a view to giving them regular game time next season alongside Ward and Keinhorst this would be a good start in the re-building proccess IMO.But Mac has to be brave enough to start doing it.

I keep reading posts regarding us recalling Amor for next season but we've passed up on that option and now it's purely down to Amor to decide where he wants to go so we no longer have any say. Also there are rumours he's going to Hull but I've no idea how that can happen unless we or Wakey sell him on to them.

The fact we've backtracked somewhat and now lost control of the decision makes me think that we are still not 100% sure about him and if Amor senses the same he might prefer to stay where he feels wanted and has been given a chance.

IF we desperately wanted him back why did we not exercise our right before end of July when we had total control over the decision??

Isn't this the point I make about eight pages back ?

Can anyone name me a single player in our squad, that has improved their performance under the current head coach ?

About the only reasonable argument might be Zak, but given he is a player who is developing, it could be argued that he is merely fulfilling his potential.

In the past, look at Andy Hay .... A journeyman player, who was turned in to a GB international as a result of his performances under Graham Murray.

There's a bus load of players that look better under Tony Smith at Warrington, even players who on paper should be over the hill. How come TS can do it and McDoughnut can't ?

We have the squad depth and potential to be better than 5th even with the players we currently have on our books.

Get the coaching set up right and so many of the other issues that we have evaporate.

Yes, and our recent success is due to the team building we began ten years ago. Re McGuire, Burrow et al with quality signings along the way.

Amor is returning i hear. Great news. A real prop