I'd go with McShane in the next game off the bench. He's a great threat in attack, and i don't see the issue in his defence? He can smash guy saround the field and works hard. The guys a talent and so is Liam Hood but atm i'd go with Mcshane over Hood. And when Buderus finishes that would leave us with 2 outshanding hookers which will be a massive threat to teams

The Engand Coach being Steve Mcnamara. I understand your reluctance to use his name in support of your argument.

Does it help or hinder your argument that Broughtons own coaches played a part time plumber now at York ahead of him?

I take your point about infalibility but Leeds aren't the only one to hold that view. It appears to have just been Salfords coaching staff who felt differently.

The lad has found his level and is doing well, good fir him. But I won't be hailing him as the Emporer's new clothes just yet.

Irrespective of the individual currently in place (whoever it is) the England coach has a much larger selection pool than any individual club coach would have and Broughton earned recognition over and above gaining selection for his club side. To stand out on the wing for Salford is in itself a considerable achievment and only enhances my argument.



Did McRae and Simms select the Leeds 1st grade team in 2010? Bush's selection (a Championship quality player at best) only helps to highlight Leeds' mistake in not securing Broughton.



Only? It may appear that way but there is no way of knowing.



I agree. That level being comfortable in SL with a good try scoring record against the top sides in his full debut season and being on the edge of International selection.

All credit to the Salford coaching staff, his game must have come on a ton.

Yes really.

I'll be honest, I don't see Salford that much. I saw them live last year. At the Willows is was another ex Leeds lad who stood out for them, and one you hold in much lower regard.

I saw them again Sunday and he stood out so much I barely noticed he was playing.

You can't keep them all and I am quite content with the ones that we HAVE kept. In recent years we've gotten it right almost all of the time and as enamoured as you and one or two others seem to be on here he has done nothing yet to change that view.

Leroy Rivett made a GB train on squad in 1999, btw.

I thought both Gibson and Broughton had decent games. Gibson impressed with his strength and determined finishing while Broughton's pace to cover a man inside and still get back to challenge Donald (Leeds' own speedster) on the line was also noteworthy, besides his try obviously which was a walk-in after Webb's fumble. He still had Delaney to get around but .... I'm not going to undermine my argument by attaching much significance to that.



Is that the game you saw the last 15 minutes of by which time Salford had thrown the towel in and were waiting for the hooter?



You don't have to keep them all. Just the ones that show excellent potential even with limited opportunities. If and inevitably when you get it wrong (from a playing point of view) you might end up with (what might appear to you or me) sub-standard types playing 1st grade in their position.

I give Leeds the benefit of the doubt (always) as they get to judge players on much more than the supporters will ever see and have to deal with agents who may be working to a slightly different agenda anyway.



And (if accurate) what was wrong with that decision at the time? He'd made 29 starts for his club that season scoring 19 tries and had been awarded the Lance Todd Trophy for a unique Challenge Cup Final feat. Rivett had good speed, touchline awareness and great feet. An ability to stand players up and ghost past them on the outside.

He also had deficiencies which became all too apparent during the following season and lost his way perhaps in part through a lack of coaching support, which can be an issue in the British game.

Good debate this. I wish G1 and tvoc would give their opinions on more players, because they both know their RL.

I personally do not rate Broughton as highly as tvoc does. I think he could become a good SL winger, but in terms of talent (not pace) I don't think he's good enough to be playing on the wing for a team that is serious about winning titles.
Donald had the big game experience and (although I was never a fan of his on the right wing paticularly) he was steady and knew how to finish. I think when Webb goes, BJB will take the 1 shirt and Hardaker will play on that wing. I see Watkins as the natural successor to Keith. I think Lee Smith is a better right centre than Delaney will ever be, although Delaney does have the makings of a very effective second row, just as McKenna was after his first dodgy season in the centres.