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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Agree with what you are saying, but how long as Diskin got? 2years? certainly no more than that at the same level. McShane would be hooker number 1, and following the two hooker theme, Hood would be the back up in a short time. If the club had anything about them, It should have had McShane out on loan ready for next year, and should be planning for Hood doing the same next year.
And it is that planning where the club has been getting it wrong over the last couple of years, for much the reason you have stated, resting on their laurels.'"
I hear McShane off to York on duel reg loan
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| Quote james hawk="james hawk"I hear McShane off to York on duel reg loan'"
Not good enough for me. IMO he should have been playing that level last year. He should be somewhere like Cas, Harlequins, Wakefield now, all of which I am sure would have taken him had we given a green light. Then he would have been truelly ready to step straight in next year.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Not good enough for me. IMO he should have been playing that level last year. He should be somewhere like Cas, Harlequins, Wakefield now, all of which I am sure would have taken him had we given a green light. Then he would have been truelly ready to step straight in next year.'"
Agreed, like Scott Moore last year on loan from Saints to Huddersfield & now in the 1st team squad along with Roby & Cunningham.
I think though that overall criticism of the club's succession planning is OTT when you take account of Hetherington's stated objective when he took over.
He said that he wanted to replicate the 70s when the bulk of the team was local or had come through the club's own development set-up. IMV that's exactly what he has delivered with great success.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Not good enough for me. IMO he should have been playing that level last year. He should be somewhere like Cas, Harlequins, Wakefield now, all of which I am sure would have taken him had we given a green light. Then he would have been truelly ready to step straight in next year.'"
Its come from a York fan but at this stage its still a rumour but i would be surprised seeing Mcshane dropping down to third tier when Leeds played at Hunslet he was a class above.
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| Quote Old Feller="Old Feller"Agreed, like Scott Moore last year on loan from Saints to Huddersfield & now in the 1st team squad along with Roby & Cunningham.
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Scott Moore also spent all of 2008 out on loan at Castleford, so he was gaining 1st grade SL experience away from Knowsley Road for 2 full seasons.
I can't see much sense in McShane going to York.
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| Quote james hawk="james hawk"I hear McShane off to York on duel reg loan'"
First I've heard of it.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"I can't see much sense in McShane going to York.'"
Me neither, like Manning at Fev, I'd rather see him at an SL club
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| Quote james hawk="james hawk"I hear McShane off to York on duel reg loan'"
Complete & Utter Pony.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Not good enough for me. IMO he should have been playing that level last year. He should be somewhere like Cas, Harlequins, Wakefield now, all of which I am sure would have taken him had we given a green light. Then he would have been truelly ready to step straight in next year.'"
Surely thats a criticism of the structures throughout the game below SL first team level than leeds as a club, and imo our biggest problem in bringing through top quality players.
There is a huge gap between the quality of the u20s/reserves and SL and nothing is there to bridge it. There is no level to suit a player like Mcshane and his development for the past year or so. Id say Watkins and Allen are in the same boat. They arent ready for full time SL just yet, but the level of the u20s/reserves championship one are so low as to almost harm their development.
Hopefully the dual loan system will help but there is an awful lot of players who are too good for the u20s/reserves but not yet good enough for SL who need a high quality competition to learn in
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Surely thats a criticism of the structures throughout the game below SL first team level than leeds as a club, and imo our biggest problem in bringing through top quality players.
There is a huge gap between the quality of the u20s/reserves and SL and nothing is there to bridge it. There is no level to suit a player like Mcshane and his development for the past year or so. Id say Watkins and Allen are in the same boat. They arent ready for full time SL just yet, but the level of the u20s/reserves championship one are so low as to almost harm their development.
Hopefully the dual loan system will help but there is an awful lot of players who are too good for the u20s/reserves but not yet good enough for SL who need a high quality competition to learn in'"
Completely agree.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Surely thats a criticism of the structures throughout the game below SL first team level than leeds as a club, and imo our biggest problem in bringing through top quality players.
There is a huge gap between the quality of the u20s/reserves and SL and nothing is there to bridge it. There is no level to suit a player like Mcshane and his development for the past year or so. Id say Watkins and Allen are in the same boat. They arent ready for full time SL just yet, but the level of the u20s/reserves championship one are so low as to almost harm their development.
Hopefully the dual loan system will help but there is an awful lot of players who are too good for the u20s/reserves but not yet good enough for SL who need a high quality competition to learn in'"
Completely agree with your point. Just don't think it is relevant here.
Just because dual contracts now exist, it does not stop a player from going on loan to another super league side, rather than dual contract at lower level. McShane for example should have been at a level now that he is ready for super league, not championship. He is not going to get games in Leeds first team due to the two hookers before him, so why is he not out on loan at other super league clubs? Harlequins and Cas as two examples are crying out for players. Wakefield lost an hooker from their plans early on for the season.
Dual registration for me is for players who are not fully ready for super league just yet, and the club want them to work in a full time environment in the mean time to develop. McShane is past that level, as are one or two others, who should have been out on loan at other Super League sides. Of course subject to another club wanting to take them.
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