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There was criticism of Smith in August time in 2005. Though memories may also be clouded by the criticism of 2006 and 7 too.

I think there were a number of differences.

The strange selection policies of now aren't anything like as extreme as the ones that arguably cost the cup final in 2005 or that then stifled certain players in 2006. Arguably any decisions at the moment are forced. I'm not sure the same could be said of 2005.

Bluey doesn't appear to be breaking up the squad whereas in 2005 Smith discarded fringe players, despite much of 2004's success and his reputation being founded on his 'tinkerman' use of the squad.

In 2005 the spirit of the side that was so visible in 2004 and pre July 2005 seemed to vanish amid rumours of dressing room unrest and draconian approaches to discipline. I don't think there is any problem with the spirit at the moment and no rumours of unrest that I'm aware of.

Theres also the context. By the middle of 2005 we'd seen Leeds pretty much completely dominate things for 12 months. That came after a long period without success and was acompanied by a real belief (not just on this forum) that the squad was good enough to be a dominant force for a number of years. That the dominance should appear so fragile and for this to happen so suddenly in 2005 was difficult to take, particularly as it seemed that Leeds were falling back to the chasing pack rather than them catching up. Now, after another GF win and WCC people are a little more chilled about failure and success.

Finally there's the timing. Criticism in late August and September 2005 bracketed the challenge cup final upset and marked the end of a long period of poor form heading towards the business end of the season. People can be more chilled now as its still some months from the play offs, the team are still top of the table and still in the cup semi final (which is seemingly the priority). The blip in form is happening long before the big end of season games.

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Quote: Snake Eater "The truth is you can never be sure, it isn't a given that leeds will be up there at the end.

But this team has been there and done it before. 3 titles in 5 years and 4 grand finals in 5 years. So those facts alone should give us some faith.

We've hardly played well all season, yet we are what, 3rd on points difference?

If our form picks up abit we should be able to nail 2nd place and thus once again be in a good position for a grand final appearence.

Controlling the ruck helps the game to flow your way. You find gaps easier because the defence is on the backfoot and when defending, your line has chance to set and smother the opposition. Controlling the ruck is a big part of the game.

The kicking game is a mystery. It has been very poor but we've all seen how good it can be, look at the grand finals. But when you are on the backfoot in a game it's much harder to get a decent kick in and that's what we are finiding.'"


Point taken - it will have some effect on the game, but dropped balls? One man rugby? Would it reduce our gameplan to basically nothing?

We may yet do it this year, but it would take one hell of a turnaround - more so than in any other year.

I'm not holding my breath.

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Quote: Mr Scruff "Point taken - it will have some effect on the game, but dropped balls? One man rugby? Would it reduce our gameplan to basically nothing?

We may yet do it this year, but it would take one hell of a turnaround - more so than in any other year.

I'm not holding my breath.'"


dropped ball is hardley a coaching issue though mate!! im pretty sure thats not in blueys game plan

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Quote: sgtwilko "dropped ball is hardley a coaching issue though mate!! im pretty sure thats not in blueys game plan'"


Hardly a coaching issue?

Dropped ball is exactly the sort of thing the coach should be eradicating in training. If a team consistently drops the ball it's the coach that should do something about it.

I'm sure it's not in Bluey's gameplan as well but the fact we're doing it so much shows that something's not right.

Either players aren't familiar enough with plays (the coach's fault), the players lack confidence (partly the coach's fault) or the players can't be ar5ed (the coach's fault).

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Quote: Mr Scruff "Hardly a coaching issue?

Dropped ball is exactly the sort of thing the coach should be eradicating in training. If a team consistently drops the ball it's the coach that should do something about it.

I'm sure it's not in Bluey's gameplan as well but the fact we're doing it so much shows that something's not right.

Either players aren't familiar enough with plays (the coach's fault), the players lack confidence (partly the coach's fault) or the players can't be ar5ed (the coach's fault).'"

Or maybe we're dropping the ball because the backs are under more pressure from defences due to the forwards not doing their jobs and so are trying miracle passes and offloads?
IMO its much more a mental thing than a lack of skill.

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