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Quote: THECherry&Whites "....because your game plan is one dimensional. Last season it took the league 3 months to work you out. You will get hammered up the middle every week from now on. Your pack is ageing and slow with no creativity. Gleeson and Penky are told to get the ball to the wide men as quickly as possible with no plan "B" If the opposition structure is designed to negate this then you are screwed because your pack is so poor and can not dominate.


By the way, why is all the blame laid at Callands door? This team is very reminiscent of teams produced by Martin Hall at Hull KR and Rochdale. May be he has more influence over team affairs than you all think. [sizeHe is always by the side of Calland at games[/size.'"


And he's always eating Apples, i think he's a bad seed is Hall.

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Quote: THECherry&Whites "....because your game plan is one dimensional. Last season it took the league 3 months to work you out. You will get hammered up the middle every week from now on. Your pack is ageing and slow with no creativity. Gleeson and Penky are told to get the ball to the wide men as quickly as possible with no plan "B" If the opposition structure is designed to negate this then you are screwed because your pack is so poor and can not dominate.


By the way, why is all the blame laid at Callands door? This team is very reminiscent of teams produced by Martin Hall at Hull KR and Rochdale. May be he has more influence over team affairs than you all think. He is always by the side of Calland at games.'"


at least were not that crap we can't beat Widnes icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: THECherry&Whites "....because your game plan is one dimensional. Last season it took the league 3 months to work you out. You will get hammered up the middle every week from now on. Your pack is ageing and slow with no creativity. Gleeson and Penky are told to get the ball to the wide men as quickly as possible with no plan "B" If the opposition structure is designed to negate this then you are screwed because your pack is so poor and can not dominate.


Spot On!!

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Quote: THECherry&Whites "....because your game plan is one dimensional. Last season it took the league 3 months to work you out. You will get hammered up the middle every week from now on. Your pack is ageing and slow with no creativity. Gleeson and Penky are told to get the ball to the wide men as quickly as possible with no plan "B" If the opposition structure is designed to negate this then you are screwed because your pack is so poor and can not dominate.


By the way, why is all the blame laid at Callands door? This team is very reminiscent of teams produced by Martin Hall at Hull KR and Rochdale. May be he has more influence over team affairs than you all think. He is always by the side of Calland at games.'"


I completely agree with you on that. The worrying thing is that we can all see it. Well, all apart from the people that matter.

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Agree about Calland..... STOP LAYING ALL THE BLAME ON HIM......time for the players to take a good look at themselfs and be honest that A, the pack is not performing and being to easily dominated, B - you have key players injured at the mo, C - a coach does video work and devizes a plan to beat the oposition and expects his team to stick to the plan (are they doing this).
Get behind the coach and the club as calling for peoples heads doesnt help matters............ Leigh went through it last season and it doesnt help anyone.

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Quote: Standidge "I completely agree with you on that. The worrying thing is that we can all see it. Well, all apart from the people that matter.'"


The packs not that bad though (when fit);

8.Tamghart (always makes yards and not old)
9.Gleeson (just quality)
10.Maloney (energetic in defence and attack and not old)
11.Ostick ""
12.Wrench (best defence ever)
13.Nash (aggressive in D & A and not old)

14. Watene (good impact player)
15. Gene (organiser)
16. Aizue (Why didn't we resign Matt James???)

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Quote: leytherjay "Agree about Calland..... STOP LAYING ALL THE BLAME ON HIM......time for the players to take a good look at themselfs and be honest that A, the pack is not performing and being to easily dominated, B - you have key players injured at the mo, C - a coach does video work and devizes a plan to beat the oposition and expects his team to stick to the plan (are they doing this).
Get behind the coach and the club as calling for peoples heads doesnt help matters............ Leigh went through it last season and it doesnt help anyone.'"



So getting Millward hasn't helped matters?

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Millward has helped but our players will be the first to admit that their efforts last season were not up to scratch and it wasnt all the coaches fault. (a few have told me this)

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The good thing at Leigh at the mo is that most of the squad are out of contract at the end of this season............. they don't preform to Millwards expectations they wont be here next season.......... that will drive them to succeed (or at least try)

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I wasn't expecting that loss for you guys, and Millward is worth 12 points a game.
The impact he has on average players is immense, for the last few years we have wasted our resources, not any more.

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Quote: maurice "I wasn't expecting that loss for you guys, and Millward is worth 12 points a game.
The impact he has on average players is immense, for the last few years we have wasted our resources, not any more.'"


That is what frustrates me at the moment. Fax have great resource available, a good BOD, a good ground, good support, YET we can't utilise this resource effectively to dominate on the field.

WTF is going on!!!!

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Quote: wereutherein1987? "That is what frustrates me at the moment. Fax have great resource available, a good BOD, a good ground, good support, YET we can't utilise this resource effectively to dominate on the field.

WTF is going on!!!!'"


You answewr your own question . . . . . . Where do you mention a good coach in your list of positives? - OOps you don't read my post do you!! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: chris_smith "You answewr your own question . . . . . . Where do you mention a good coach in your list of positives? - OOps you don't read my post do you!!
but is MC the problem? as someone posted earlier, is it M HALL?

I dont know so wont speculate, I trust the BOD's to address the issues if and when required.

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Quote: wereutherein1987? "I trust the BOD's to address the issues if and when required.'"


I wish I had your confidence but I honestly think the BOD will leave it until its too late. Calland should be already out of a job now. These defeats and the manner of them are really hard to swallow but its clear this team won't do anything under Calland.

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I think a "back to basics" approach is needed for the Toulouse game, good set of 6, play percentages, target weak links, cut out needless penalties, get Black & Penky to cut out the bullet passes. If we can do the basics right, there may just be a little team cohesion.

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