Awful first half today. So so slow. Slow at reacting, slow moving up in defence and nothing in attack. Second half - completely different but no cigar. This Northern Rail malarky doesn't half cause us some headaches. The one thing we're going to have to learn as Champions - everyone is determined to cause us an upset - to knock us off our perch. You could see that with Batley today - they were so fired up. Constantly driving our players into touch followed by plenty of congratulatory back-slapping.

Wake up call or a sign of things to come? We had a similar start last year but look where we ended up. We have the players to make sure it happens again but please please let's at least progress to the NRC quarters before the "real business" starts and before Vikingman starts wetting his knickers with glee.

No meltdown just misguided loyalty!!

Explain?

One things for sure all the Widnes/Leigh fans will be looking for a Fax Northern Rail Cup epic fail part 2 come wednesday night. Nervous times

You have made several disparaging accusations against the players on this forum and have yet to substantiate any of your claims. Basically, what I'm saying is, put up or shut up.

Ok!! Well albeit my statement being said with tounge firmly in cheek we are all very opinionated and defensive of our club as we are passionate. Sometimes we defend the undependable and this my dear is misguided loyalty!! To be fair I was responding to our Viking friend so you can untwist yours.

What is undefendeble about not playing Frank?

Did you not read my response in full? But I'll take your retort on.... Personally I don't think it is defendable dropping a player simply because he dd not attend a training camp whilst working for the club in the community. Loss of form etc yes but I can't defend that others have that to me is misguided loyalty but again it's down to personal opinion isn't it?? We can't all agree can we

Ooooh aye they have haven't they? I've just had a look - 2006, 2009, 2010.

OK, we're like Arsenal then - 1987, 1993

I agree.