Firstly, no need for bad language, it's not very professional is it?

Then to answer your points about the seven players missing out 'week after week'. We have a small squad and all players will be used, be it for injuries, form, suspensions or tactically. They will all have trained together and know our calls and moves. Also, yes i have played the game and done a little coaching not that it means all that much in the context of commenting on here. As for sitting in the comfort of my armchair i'm doing that as we speak. I also go to every home match, been a season ticket holder for years, and the vast majority of away games. I'm allus available to pontificate on all matters Fax,usually in The Three Pigs, with anyone and long may that continue. Up The Fax!

Where is the bad language, are you dreaming again?

I assume you mean “crap” which is an every day expression of something that is below standard as apposed to the foul mouthed “F” word employed by you so your in no place to give advice on swearing or professionalism.

It matches your below average knowledge of the game.



Simon Grix, Hudds and a Goldfish are in a room together ( and if Hudds is there it’s likely a tap room) where the one with the highest rugby league intelligence influences what the others do next.

Simon goes on to coach in Super League.
The Goldfish goes on to coach in the Championship.
And Hudds starts blowing bubbles whilst having underwater swimming lessons.

Hilarious.

Stopped going in the 3 P’s since there was a report of watered down ale.
Turned out to be a false alarm and someone called Pete had been crying in everyone’s beer again.

Anyway off to watch Cas to see who plays badly and what our future team might look like.

Much better!

Just been on the castleford forum , looks like we’ll be getting a lot more on duel reg as all their players are crap .

He was, and is, correct!

So out of interest how does this work then?

Does someone at Cas just ring Simon Grix and say, like it or not your
having “him” this week and he must play?

Or every week does SG have to ring Cas up and ask if there’s anyone who he “must” take before he names his squad?

If true makes you wonder why anyone would go for such an arrangement. Certainly hope our new coach isn’t forced into being such a yes man.

So the parent club offers the junior club a number of players as you describe above BUT the DECISION of whether to take them and play them is completely down to the junior club.

How does that equate to the junior club being TOLD what to do and having "a boot firmly on it's neck?"

Or to keep it simple, could it be that it's the junior club who just needs to add some numbers to their squad for a week or two so they initiate contact and ring up their partners and ask if they've got anyone available and if they have it's the junior club who decides if they want them or not?

Sounds to me that it's the junior club who are in complete control and are using the parent club to try and find a short term fix rather than being short on numbers or playing players who are busted which has been the case in the recent past.

Short term fix is the key here. The longer the 'junior club' continues to use dr the longer they will stay a junior club. Again at the risk of repeating myself, my main objection to Dr is not the harm it's doing to my club, it's how it is distorting the game. There is only one winner in this farce and it certainly isn't going to be clubs outside of SL.

Well knock me down with feather - another thread hijacked by DR

Fax have only ever used it as a short term option and regarding DR for Fax staying in the Championship your definition equates to both being junior to SL and a parent club to Champ 1.

In that setting as a junior club we're all too aware that without the backing of a wealthy benefactor the challenges of changing that and us getting into SL and DR is one of the least of them.

My main objection is the claim that Fax are subservient to someone else which is simply not true so why would anyone repeatably say so, isn't that distorting things?

It calls into to question their identity, their integrity and is an insult on everyone associated with the club at every level, for a certain there not winners in that scenario so isn't that causing harm to the club?

He started it.

Simply asking for clarification on how clubs can do what they like whilst at the same time having to do as they were told, which you both stated.

The subsequent conversation shows that no one at any time was ever being dictated to contrary to the repetitive claims that you have made ever since the matter was raised.

Rather than starting anything the goal was to defend the club from false claims and to arrive at a reasoned conclusion and bring it to a closure.

It's happened at least once this season where a DR player has been picked in our team only for the parent club to withdraw them at the last minute. Just for clarity.

Every club has control over their own players at all times and what you have said there is that in an emergency the parent club says we need him back “he can’t” play for you today which is the exact opposite of “he must” play for you today which is what you have repeatably claimed.

Late recalls are part of the DR arrangements that both clubs are aware of and do happen, a couple of times to us as I recall but it’s the exception to the rule and the vast majority of the time they do feature.

No fit established player at Fax has ever been excluded from a training session because of the DR arrangement and is simply another false claim.

Every coach is aware that there can be late withdrawals for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with DR right up until the kick off time and keep as many of the squad available for as long as possible.

When someone has to step in at the last minute team wise he’ll be up to pace and team wise they’ll be no worse off than they would have been if the DR player hadn’t have been available in the first place.

That’s both parties acting responsibly within the terms of the agreement in the best interest of their respective clubs and has nothing to do with doing as your told or having a boot on someone’s neck!

Codswallop!

Thought I'd just revisit this thread in the vain hope that people who want to prattle on about this subject could limit their waffling to one thread rather than bringing up the same boring pros and cons on nearly every new topic. I'm not holding my breath!

Duel reg is a complex subject matter , I think many Halifax supporters and indeed other historical clubs feel they should have their own academy/reserves regardless and not taking into consideration the financial considerations of doing so . I can see the pros and cons of duel reg , we have brought in some good quality players who have previously played for us in this guise and become permanent players for us , we’ve also been the parent club in this situation when we’ve used it with betfred league 1 clubs to keep our peripheral players match fit . Duel reg can also I imagine be very disruptive to dressing room moral when regular players are somewhat dismissed for one off players . The problem is with rugby league is that it’s unique in the sense that not many sports have the top tier being professional and the 2nd tier being semi professional. Ultimately and unfortunately without money and significant investment this scenario will always be a bone of contention especially for clubs like halifax.

Anyone else have any posts removed or just me?

I split the threads, but unfortunately missed a few and some got deleted, apologies nothing was targetted.

No worries, thought I was going mad for a minute wondering if I imagined posting and thinking if I did post it wasnt anything bad.

It's an interesting discussion. From my perspective over here DR hasn't helped us at all. It may have been useful in getting a side on the field when we were initially coming back from oblivion but that's it. The rest of the time it's disrupted the team and caused inconsistency. It's no coincidence that we've looked a happier bunch in the main since Dunning left and the use of DR stopped and the short term loans decreased too.

Sorry to say that I agree with Bullseye that the DR system disrupts teams, and for the record I have always thought this, ( faxlore do your best to find otherwise).

Yer Bullseye must have been heartbroken when to quote the T&A.

“Mark Dunning, who has used the Bulls’ dual-registration partnership with Leeds on numerous occasions so far this season, will have James Donaldson, Luis Roberts and Sam Walters at his disposal in the crunch clash against Fax.”

Especially when they were Bradford’s best players on the night winning by just 4 points precisely because of their input.