[quote="Miserybusiness":ztzhh5dm]Whatever it was or is was never right for us.I firmly beleive we voted for it with a gun to our heads,which is the only reason I personally dont labour my objections to the whole charade..[/quote:ztzhh5dm] At least they'd have finished us off there and then under that scenario instead of inflicting a slow lingering death on us. See you tonight, lol!

[quote="Hudd-Shay":192rqczd]That is about it, meaningless. So why not say no, we'll vote against it as a protest? At least that way it would have shown we have a modicum of pride left in our club and wouldn't just follow on like the rest of the sheep.[/quote:192rqczd] It’s called the majority seeing the bigger picture as opposed the single mindedness tunnel vision of one person. I’ve already explained the reasons for deciding against a protest vote that too would have been meaningless and they not seeing the point in running the risk of being black listed which could have been meaningfully detrimental in the wrong direction. If having pride in the club comes down to that one decision to go with the majority which differs from your opinion then not just Fax but all the owners of the clubs view and decision takes precedent and as with your stand against DR you’ll have to be disappointed, pride less and clearly since the bulk of them voted for it in the minority with a stance that likewise is meaningless.

[quote="Hudd-Shay":cu1s4i6p]At least they'd have finished us off there and then under that scenario instead of inflicting a slow lingering death on us. See you tonight, lol![/quote:cu1s4i6p] Maybe a question that can be put regarding their current opinion on the IMG farce, and see if they can answer with a straight face why there's a requirement for 50 seats for the press when in reality only the local rag and League Express attend And definitely a question needs to be asked about the booking fee! I notice York aren't charging such a fee for our visit, and it's only £15 a ticket! 2 pints of ale different But I wouldn't expect any answers we don't already know. Everything will be a "work in progress". It shouldn't be called "Questions and Answers", it should be called "Questions but no answers"!

[quote="faxcar":3l38ag6s]It’s called the majority seeing the bigger picture as opposed the single mindedness tunnel vision of one person. I’ve already explained the reasons for deciding against a protest vote that too would have been meaningless and they not seeing the point in running the risk of being black listed which could have been meaningfully detrimental in the wrong direction. If having pride in the club comes down to that one decision to go with the majority which differs from your opinion then not just Fax but all the owners of the clubs view and decision takes precedent and as with your stand against DR you’ll have to be disappointed, pride less and clearly since the bulk of them voted for it in the minority with a stance that likewise is meaningless.[/quote:3l38ag6s] Clear as mud! P S. I watched The Full 80 minutes. Why do they call it that when it only lasted 42 minutes? Ridiculous!

[quote="Tony Fax":1bl0j363]Maybe a question that can be put regarding their current opinion on the IMG farce, and see if they can answer with a straight face why there's a requirement for 50 seats for the press when in reality only the local rag and League Express attend And definitely a question needs to be asked about the booking fee! I notice York aren't charging such a fee for our visit, and it's only £15 a ticket! 2 pints of ale different But I wouldn't expect any answers we don't already know. Everything will be a "work in progress". It shouldn't be called "Questions and Answers", it should be called "Questions but no answers"! [/quote:1bl0j363] Courier do not bother turning up to Fax games. Too busy extolling the virtues of the football.

[quote="Hudd-Shay":18dfx46w]Clear as mud! P S. I watched The Full 80 minutes. Why do they call it that when it only lasted 42 minutes? Ridiculous![/quote:18dfx46w] Could it be because it’s about the game of rugby league that is typically 80 minutes instead of how long the program lasts. More like thick as mud

Very brief commentary on the fans forum Shay stadium looking likely to be owned by davy but negotiations still in progress. Hmrc , confidence high on winning the case. Squad depth, reading between the lines relying on st helens but acknowledged more permanent additions required. Don't know mccarrons injury but he didn't have a pot on and walked in without crutches and walked in with everyone else after training.

[quote="Listenup94":3ma5sygs]Very brief commentary on the fans forum Shay stadium looking likely to be owned by davy but negotiations still in progress. Hmrc , confidence high on winning the case. Squad depth, reading between the lines relying on st helens but acknowledged more permanent additions required. Don't know mccarrons injury but he didn't have a pot on and walked in without crutches and walked in with everyone else after training.[/quote:3ma5sygs] Thought one aspect of the KD ownership that was interesting that the upgrades to the loos would include a number of automated toilet roll dispensers for those who expect to have their ar*se wiped at home games. Apparently Davy had noticed York had couple.

Another thing to note is the negativity around finn , both clayton and then salty made separate comments regarding this , salty said something along the lines of ' when you've been working all day you want training to be fun and interesting and it wasn't it was boring ' On the flip side lots of positivity regarding eastmond leading to a happy camp.

[quote="Listenup94":1xbi3qon]Another thing to note is the negativity around finn , both clayton and then salty made separate comments regarding this , salty said something along the lines of ' when you've been working all day you want training to be fun and interesting and it wasn't it was boring ' On the flip side lots of positivity regarding eastmond leading to a happy camp.[/quote:1xbi3qon] Aye, it was quite a scathing, and telling, comment that!

[quote="Listenup94":29le3qoj]Very brief commentary on the fans forum Shay stadium looking likely to be owned by davy but negotiations still in progress. Hmrc , confidence high on winning the case. Squad depth, reading between the lines relying on st helens but acknowledged more permanent additions required. Don't know mccarrons injury but he didn't have a pot on and walked in without crutches and walked in with everyone else after training.[/quote:29le3qoj] So nothing we don't already know! And I bet Salty having a "moan" about Finn didn't go down well with one of the audience, did he get heckled?

[quote="Tony Fax":39ar6lof]So nothing we don't already know! And I bet Salty having a "moan" about Finn didn't go down well with one of the audience, did he get heckled? [/quote:39ar6lof] There was a bit more indepth info regarding said matters and like I said a brief summary. Interestingly someone did bring up the price of tickets but unfortunately they sounded like a drunk nora batty or they had been spiked with ketamine so it got lost in the moment.

It can be viewed on video later but only worth a watch if you don’t already know everything. So one person needn’t bother.

I always say this, those who choose to see the white dot on the blackboard have the problem , there's no doubt in my mind however many things are done right they will choose to find something wrong . A fans forum not long ago when grix said we were punching above our weight was criticised despite two third placed finishes and a cup win at Wembley , I dare say regardless of what we achieve it'll be shot down but that's their problem not the clubs.

[quote="Listenup94":3vybrg02]I always say this, those who choose to see the white dot on the blackboard have the problem. Part.[/quote:3vybrg02] I don’t remember you saying that, I’m sure you've never said that and just checked with a few others and they don’t recall you saying that either. A black dot on a white board yes but a white dot on a blackboard that’s another matter. Could be a case of either colour blindness or you’ve been talking and muttering to yourself again, nothing to be too worried about though, probably just down to being married.

I really like the idea of the shadow board but think it might have been better going for a little older with this maybe 18-21 or a touch higher(Only think that way as it might be better having people with a little bit of life experience). We have discussed it on here about the average age of our fanbase and one look at the average age of people there last night and you can see whole generations of fans missing. Hopefully something like this shadow board can start putting forward ideas that is going to keep the ages from around 16-30 engaged with the club.

Well my thoughts are it went really well with a number of the current main issues brought up to date as far as could be with not long to wait for the decisions on HMRC and the ground. Loads of work going on behind the scenes with some success on the commercial side, still lots to do with ideas and initiatives active and on the agenda and looking for more suggestions and in that area it seemed like there was a link between having to cut the cloth accordingly-staff levels-workload-progress and only being able to do so much at a time. Absolutely no question about commitment levels from the club and anyone who can constantly knock them mouthing off whilst sat on their ars*e are a disgrace and should be ashamed, shut up and stay away.

Well if there's one thing about the forum, Clayton has wound the shaymen up . Funny how even when answering questions directly it still gets twisted to their narrative. Like he said why should he make the footballs perspective public thats bosomworth job.

[quote="Listenup94":imh8gyoh]Well if there's one thing about the forum, Clayton has wound the shaymen up . Funny how even when answering questions directly it still gets twisted to their narrative. Like he said why should he make the footballs perspective public thats bosomworth job.[/quote:imh8gyoh] Yeah this was a strange one as early on he kind of insinuated that it was pretty much a done deal and mentioned the discussions around the main fears of Town fans that they won't be allowed promotion to the EFL, later on he back tracked slightly and he talked about it not been a done deal and that there are maybe 3 offers on the table. I don't know if it was a slip of the tongue but there appears to be an offer on the table that is directly linked to Fax although he was very coy about it and again seemed to be pushing the Davy bid.

Unlikely he planned it this way but often when teaching, giving instructions or information the most important things are left until last. For clarity on the KD option so there was no confusion in what had been said he concluded by stressing multiple times that at this stage that’s all it was an option. If the KD option is chosen Clayton mentioned that whilst it would be good for everyone it would be the Giants and FC Town who actually needed the upgrades rather than Fax. The Giants need them for IMG points and Super League and FC Town need them for promotion. The Giants side is pretty much cut and dry but from a Town perspective it looks like there is still some confusion and possibly a conflict of information / interests over the number of teams that are allowed to share the ground under the EFL rules that have been posted here on the Shay thread and elsewhere. For Town, on the one hand to gain promotion for example the pitch would need upgrading but without Davy neither Town and or Fax could afford the extra £300 grand shortfall from the grants. So you have a situation where Fax are okay either way and if Davy buys it and does the upgrades, Giants are okay and Town are okay on the type of pitch etc but could fall fowl over the number of teams using it! Quite rightly the prerogative to sort this particular problem out rests with Bosomworth and FC Town, it’s a football issue not a rugby one which is what Clayton said. I’m sure the Town fans wouldn’t be happy if Fax were to interfere with things that fell outside there jurisdiction. Connecting the dots what I did find interesting was when asked about the loans from Davy to the clubs should he be successful Clayton seemed to infer that since Fax don’t actually need the improvements when the Giants and Town do, Fax could stress that reason to avoid having a loan with Davy just absorbing the 100k mentioned. Interesting and meaningful few weeks ahead.

It was always my understanding that a bid was coming from fax but then davy came in from a leftfield position ( it is my guess that a conversation may have happened between one of the orox brothers who davy knows through the forget me not charity ) Last year when I was repeatedly kicked off the shaymen forum by nobbie it was because I knew we were interested in the stadium has I was getting first and second hand information from 2 out of 3 guys up on the stage at the forum. The reason why the davy option is more appealing is time and finances related, if our people did it it would take longer maybe a few years whereas davy will have it up n running in a season. Ultimately nobody knows what will happen in the future but I can understand the appeal but also the caution.

[quote="Listenup94":2h8l9ud7]It was always my understanding that a bid was coming from fax but then davy came in from a leftfield position ( it is my guess that a conversation may have happened between one of the orox brothers who davy knows through the forget me not charity ) Last year when I was repeatedly kicked off the shaymen forum by nobbie it was because I knew we were interested in the stadium has I was getting first and second hand information from 2 out of 3 guys up on the stage at the forum. The reason why the davy option is more appealing is time and finances related, if our people did it it would take longer maybe a few years whereas davy will have it up n running in a season. Ultimately nobody knows what will happen in the future but I can understand the appeal but also the caution.[/quote:2h8l9ud7] The appeal is obvious. The caution is very much understandable.

[quote="faxcar":209j983y] Connecting the dots what I did find interesting was when asked about the loans from Davy to the clubs should he be successful Clayton seemed to infer that since Fax don’t actually need the improvements when the Giants and Town do, Fax could stress that reason to avoid having a loan with Davy just absorbing the 100k mentioned. Interesting and meaningful few weeks ahead.[/quote:209j983y] Interesting like you say, the cringe part with the talk of a moral high ground seemed a little excessive but I get what Clayton was saying in regards to the pitch but there is a problem around that. If the council sell the ground to Davy with Fax refusing to invest anything then Davy could very easily either use the current rolling contract to increase rent. Ultimatley Fax will have very little say in the councils decision but the hardball approach seems a risky road to go down with someone who could go on to be the clubs new landlord.

[quote="Greg Florimos Boots":1i8oaf1k]Interesting like you say, the cringe part with the talk of a moral high ground seemed a little excessive but I get what Clayton was saying in regards to the pitch but there is a problem around that. If the council sell the ground to Davy with Fax refusing to invest anything then Davy could very easily either use the current rolling contract to increase rent. Ultimatley Fax will have very little say in the councils decision but the hardball approach seems a risky road to go down with someone who could go on to be the clubs new landlord.[/quote:1i8oaf1k] Don’t think Fax are playing hard ball, it looked like the opposite and were more than keen for it to happen and as I’ve said before this situation is being forced on us, the council are wanting to sell it’s not us wanting to buy so someone will likely become the new owner / landlord with the same unavoidable risks involved whoever it is but they will need to get the balance right in not pricing themselves out of some income by charging an amount that can’t be paid and forcing us out. (Interesting side point on shared ground rent, where Davy is concerned with the Giants and Huddersfield Town I believe he thought the football club should be paying more because they used it more so another small insight into his way of thinking that might work in our favour.) To say at this stage from what he said or hinted at that Fax are refusing to contribute resulting in Davy increasing the rent etc is a bit imaginative and premature as he’s not got it yet and the exact amount of any loans and repayment terms are unknown at the moment but if it gets to that stage just to try that approach and possibly tie it in with the disruption factor compensation which is something else that weighs heavily in our favour with us being the most affected and see where it went, who wouldn’t want to save paying around 100 grand? My biggest cringe / chuckle moment was when RD was answering the recruitment question which I thought shouldn’t be hard since we aren’t doing any and he just mumbled on a bit with a few u r’s and DR’s, last year with Leeds before quickly giving the mike back.

[quote="Listenup94":2fpg3rvt]Well if there's one thing about the forum, Clayton has wound the shaymen up . Funny how even when answering questions directly it still gets twisted to their narrative. Like he said why should he make the footballs perspective public thats bosomworth job.[/quote:2fpg3rvt] I would love to be a fly on the wall if Aston ever found out he called Sheffields ground a hole.