Rovers have always had a large dormant fan base waiting for top flight RL and the challenge of competing with FC

I think many club owners still believe that the sport side of the club can finance the business side of the club, it can't, lets look at our cousins from down under, at most clubs the sport/match derived revenue is a minute % of what they run the clubs on, they found new revenue streams unconnected to the playing of a RL match to finance their growth

So, it needs clubs to separate the ' sport ' from the ' business '

Why dont they do it? , well , I suppose it isnt what they got involved for in the first place, its not ' sexy ' , its boring, its business ( something most of them already have ) , tgey got involved as a hobby, something different to the pursuit of fortune, but it needs that to become tge focus, not a ' right of passage' , not an ego trip on who has the most money to tip into a bottomless pit

You have to step back ( the club owners, not the fans ) and see an entertainment business, not a sports club, and act accordingly , only then will clubs both at our level and SL start to grow and prosper

maybe im wrong but i swear they had crowds less than 2k 2 year before they started to build momentum for promotion

i dont disagree with anything u say i just think the biggest thing is simply to be given a chance and build from there.
one thing you need is an investor, something i think howard posner promised he could get the club but the only thing holding them back was super league status a bit like the new bulls club have been given and now allowed to build

As I said, a Dormant fan base waiting to be in a position to compete with another local club, in Hull you are either red or black and white and it is that historical rivalry that gave Rovers the initial boost, along with a few million from Mr Hudgell

i guess what im saying is i feel us as a club can do that, build crowds with results as they did but only with promotion and now people have lost faith/interest in the game due to whats been happening. in fact my interest is now minimal, is it to do with results? obviously not as we do ok but i had more interest when we were crap but if we could have a run at it at the end of the season it kept hope and interest alive and we neally did it after neally being down to nl2 to going to cas in the semi final the following season is what its all about and gets people to the games.
i 1st realised how this is so wrong the second we won the grand final against fev in extra time with a drop goal, that should of been the best match feeling since our cup victory in 87 but i felt nothing really comparing it with results against say bradford and leeds beating them at the shay and away, i guess i just suddenly felt robbed of what we should of really earned that day and it really sunk in that this isnt what its about and walked away happy we beat fev in the final and won the best thing we could but its just not enough. and this is why we cant gain fans. and what i just said answers the question u raised on why we support the clubs we do and why we started going, to feel great on a day we win a game and right now that doesnt happen to its full potential.

An ' investor', you mean a rich idiot? , this ' Investor ' , is he going to get his money back? ,how much do the fans of his club ( except it isnt his club, its yours ) expect him to throw away ?

' Be given the chance and build from there ' , except we both know that wont happen, unless your rich idiot is really rich and very idiotic, and there are people like that growing on trees

The new Bulls will be back in trouble again in a few years, when their rich idiot realises how stupid he actually is

So to conclude, you want somebody else to finance your playing squad while subsidising your ticket prices in the vain hope that 1,000 s of ex fans will come flooding back to watch you get battered on a regular basis, not a cat in hells chance

i hope you dont take this wrong but i feel your ideas of how to build are based on a club thats always been in the shadow of wigan with no hope to build any other way but the ways u suggest. but my oppinion on fax and how we can get back is because we have been the biggest club in yorkshire many times and have the fan base there waiting as u suggested hull kr was and i feel given a fair craack of the whip we will and then build with investment. but getting that investment and building from where we are and knowing we are being held back just wont happen

i mean invest on ways to make profit as u suggested our cousens do but they wont come until we can make money as u just said and that will only happen being on top with interested fans
please dont put word in my mouth lol
i was only saying that as a previous director had said it but they wont put money in until the club is given a fair chance in sl so they arent throwing their money away again as u just said

No offense taken

So you agree, the investement wont happen, what level of investement do you suggest is needed even if you had SL as a target/prize? 500 K? , 1 million? , 2,3,4 maybe the Ken Davy level? , has the 10 million he has tipped in worked?

But as you say, it wont happen, so your alternative is what?

So not ' invest ' in the playing squad, so in what exactly?

you take me wrong with the word invester, i just mean someone to help the "business" side of things grow like you suggested it needs to but i dont see that happening until we are at a top level where interest grows and it can help sell your club more. like you said no one is daft enough to invest at our level and big money boys just come and go anyway.
its a catch 22 situation where we need to grow but the real thing holding us back is going up and trying to build from there, yeah we may get stuffed but at least we can try build that just wont happen as as seperate business at this level IMO.
if this sport really wanted lower clubs to grow and expand (as it trys to lead us to beleive) it wouldnt be held back as i feel we are and the biggest example of this not including no promotion is a prize that doesnt cover your own salary cap

No you mean a sugar daddy

' Invest in the business ' , in what?

As regards the RFL, IMO they dont want us ( heartland Championship Clubs ) to grow, they want us to exist, to provide a pathway for others