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| Possibly the quickest way to allow hospitality to open up, along with major sporting events but, this will be highly contentious.
A "health passport" required for admission, is this the thin end of the wedge or something neccessary to allow us to move forward ?
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| This "quickest way to open" and everything surround passport of vaccine certification is pure gaslightling. It offers a small carrot with a big stick. It will not work for hospitality and they know it, so they may well withdraw that leaving other venues saddled with this nonsense.
Coercion and punishment are not sound principles in an allegedly free society.
I'm against them in all settings domestically, we won't have much say internationally, but if individual businesses wish to bring it in themselves (along with every single additional cost it entails) then I have no problem with that and the public can then make their own choice as to whether to given them their money or not.
Either the vaccine(s) are effective or they are not. The data says they are, as is take up. Everything else is political posturing, smoke and mirrors.
Sorry for the word salad.
I should also add that a judge are expedited the hearing of the hospitality industry's case for opening up along with "none essential" businesses to this coming Tuesday, during which Hancock will have to actually show the evidence they used to shut up pubs and clubs, put numerous caveats on their reopening last summer and then why they continue to remain closed.
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| Quote: "Possibly the quickest way to allow hospitality to open up, along with major sporting events but, this will be highly contentious.
A "health passport" required for admission, is this the thin end of the wedge or something neccessary to allow us to move forward ?
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Try googling "Yellow Fever vaccination certificate", they've been around for years, I needed to get one nearly 50 years ago.
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| Quote: "Try googling "Yellow Fever vaccination certificate", they've been around for years, I needed to get one nearly 50 years ago.'"
Will I need one to get in the pub on Monday
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| Quote: "Will I need one to get in the pub on Monday
If your "local" is in India, for example, then probably yes.
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| I'm not sure about it really, unless it's properly thought through a lot of people could fall through the cracks and that would be the worst of all worlds.
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| It’s a dilemma for the government. I do think travel will be used to force people to be vaccinated along with other popular recreation. If someone is exempt from having the vaccine because it’s endangering their life is another issue.
Not sure where people in that situation stand. They will potentially be at risk forevermore.
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| It really needs to be organised properly if they go ahead (not confident this lot can manage that).
Can see it being something you need for overseas travel. For other things less likely I reckon. It goes against Johnson's principles so they'll probably make some half hearted attempt at something that will be ineffective.
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| What usually happens is that Johnson makes a positive statement which is not backed up by the actual legislation, resulting in confusion.
They could look to add vaccination confirmation on the app they produced because it is not much use for anything else and it cost enough.
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| Are they even necessary, what purpose do they serve that the current advice on masks and social distancing etc don't?
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| Quote: "Are they even necessary, what purpose do they serve that the current advice on masks and social distancing etc don't?'"
The certificate may provide the quickest way of opening up major sporting events /gigs etc
Masks and social distancing, especially the latter, make large groups nigh on impossible.
The grey area would be hospitality.
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| Quote: "The certificate may provide the quickest way of opening up major sporting events /gigs etc
Masks and social distancing, especially the latter, make large groups nigh on impossible.
The grey area would be hospitality.'"
I get that, but by the time they've been implemented, the majority of the most vulnerable people will have been vaccinated anyway? Would such extreme measures be necessary if the chances of dying from covid are almost zero?
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| Quote: "I get that, but by the time they've been implemented, the majority of the most vulnerable people will have been vaccinated anyway? Would such extreme measures be necessary if the chances of dying from covid are almost zero?'"
There'll be some that can't have the vaccine for medical reasons - they could be excluded from an awful lot of places indefinitely - but if the rest of us have vaccine passports it might mean those unvaccinated vulnerable groups could come out as transmission is reduced if high percentages have the jab. It'd work for the well organised venues - not at all for the dodgy pub type venues. This is all assuming no new variants come along that get around existing vaccines. Then it's potentially back to square one unless we have boosters that stay ahead of the game.
As I said earlier I think some other countries will insist of proof of vaccination as they rely heavily on tourism and won't want a big outbreak to jeopardise all that.
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| Quote: "Possibly the quickest way to allow hospitality to open up, along with major sporting events but, this will be highly contentious.
A "health passport" required for admission, is this the thin end of the wedge or something neccessary to allow us to move forward ?
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Don't think it's a thin end of the wedge type of thing, more a reflection of a new reality.
I'd say everything should be considered and if it looks like there is a good chance of it working then run with it.
Fed up of it now. Just a pity we can't find a certificate to undo brexit.
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| Foreign travel - you will not have a choice, you want to go you will need vaccination details a PCR test is only a point in time. I don't have an issue with it. It will be an App on the phone with your status.
I do think we are moving too slowly to open up things but given the disaster the government made of the pandemic I can understand why they are being cautious.
ID cards wont work here IMO
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