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... from part 4 ...
Sal Paradise wrote ...
Maybe I have missed something?
Mild Rover wrote ...
Don’t think so.
Here’s the key points from the manifesto.
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
Get Brexit Done, obviously.
Increased spending on some public services, while controlling debt (‘controlling’ in this context may or may not be defined in the main document, I cba to check) and not raising income tax, VAT or National Insurance. No rain on bank holidays.
The point is, they haven’t said very much about how they want to go about ‘unleashing Britain’s potential’. Not only is there no real detail, there’s not even a broad vision that goes beyond ‘confidence’ and ‘rising to challenges’. Maybe we’ll identify synergies to achieve some efficiencies and create prosperity.
tbf, i’m fine with a degree of pragmatism and i’m not demanding a Johnsonian ideology. I’m just curious as to 1. What they’re going to do and how, and 2. Whether they know themselves yet.
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... from part 4 ...
Sal Paradise wrote ...
Maybe I have missed something?
Mild Rover wrote ...
Don’t think so.
Here’s the key points from the manifesto.
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
Get Brexit Done, obviously.
Increased spending on some public services, while controlling debt (‘controlling’ in this context may or may not be defined in the main document, I cba to check) and not raising income tax, VAT or National Insurance. No rain on bank holidays.
The point is, they haven’t said very much about how they want to go about ‘unleashing Britain’s potential’. Not only is there no real detail, there’s not even a broad vision that goes beyond ‘confidence’ and ‘rising to challenges’. Maybe we’ll identify synergies to achieve some efficiencies and create prosperity.
tbf, i’m fine with a degree of pragmatism and i’m not demanding a Johnsonian ideology. I’m just curious as to 1. What they’re going to do and how, and 2. Whether they know themselves yet.
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I think we need a mixed economy that encourages wealth generation but also ensures essential public services are correctly funded. Yes there will always be wealth inequality and greater the average wealth the greater the differential - in the 70s there were very few Billionaires now there are thousands. We need to agree what are essential public services - NHS, schools, police - does the mail or transport fall into that - not for me neither do utilities. The economy needs to have the flexibility to subsidise/support growth industries without owning them.
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Our flat lining ecconomy must be great comfort for everyone and listening to Jeremy Vine's guest at lunchtime, someone who predicted the 2007 economic meltdown, apparently we may be heading for something even worse.
Too much personal and commercial debt apparently, coupled with a stagnant ecconomy and boom !
Happy New Year and Happy Brexit to all.
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| Quote: "I think we need a mixed economy that encourages wealth generation but also ensures essential public services are correctly funded. Yes there will always be wealth inequality and greater the average wealth the greater the differential - in the 70s there were very few Billionaires now there are thousands. We need to agree what are essential public services - NHS, schools, police - does the mail or transport fall into that - not for me neither do utilities. The economy needs to have the flexibility to subsidise/support growth industries without owning them.'"
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These are easily supplied by the private sector as has been demonstrated since privatisation, seldom do we have supply issues which suggests the infrastructure is robust and pricing seems controlled - as such why take them into public ownership? |
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And none of them are owned by U.K. companies.
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| Quote: "Our flat lining ecconomy must be great comfort for everyone and listening to Jeremy Vine's guest at lunchtime, someone who predicted the 2007 economic meltdown, apparently we may be heading for something even worse.
Too much personal and commercial debt apparently, coupled with a stagnant ecconomy and boom !
Happy New Year and Happy Brexit to all.'"
Who cares. Less darkies coming into the country so it’s a massive win according to brexiteers |
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yes, but that isn't the next step, is it. |
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They appear to believe that by continuing to repeat something it will come true. For example our request for free access for our financial sector which the EU say no but Javid continues to say they will.
We have received confirmation that border checks will take place, well that was a surprise who thought that would be the case.
I expect those that knew what they were voting for are in for many surprises of which most will be negative.
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| Quote: "Gas, electric, water and sewage not essential?'"
In principle I tend to think the public sector is for what we need and the private sector in for what we want.
On the other hand, food is essential and, without denying the sad reality of food poverty in the UK, nationalising farming and supermarkets might be a bit radical for me at this point in our economic development. |
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| Quote: "I think we need a mixed economy that encourages wealth generation but also ensures essential public services are correctly funded. Yes there will always be wealth inequality and greater the average wealth the greater the differential - in the 70s there were very few Billionaires now there are thousands. We need to agree what are essential public services - NHS, schools, police - does the mail or transport fall into that - not for me neither do utilities. The economy needs to have the flexibility to subsidise/support growth industries without owning them.'"
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| Quote: "In principle I tend to think the public sector is for what we need and the private sector in for what we need.
On the other hand, food is essential and, without denying the sad reality of food poverty in the UK, nationalising farming and supermarkets might be a bit radical for me at this point in our economic development.'"
When the seas rise and food begins to be scarce, we may end up with rationing, which would be "nationalising" food supply |
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Blair was a centre/right politician he was certainly further to the right than Cameron IMO. In essence yes I agree and I see much of this in Boris he is further to the centre than May or Major more Hague for me who I really liked. |
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| Quote: "Blair was a centre/right politician he was certainly further to the right than Cameron IMO. In essence yes I agree and I see much of this in Boris he is further to the centre than May or Major more Hague for me who I really liked.'"
I don’t believe that Johnson has many, or even any, great or specific policy convictions. While pragmatism and even pure opportunism can work, my impression is that he is more interested in the prestige of being PM than the work of it. Which presumably is where Cummings comes in. That glory/power divide (or symbiosis) will likely work quite well as long as things are going well.
However, Cummings agenda is potentially pretty radical and his power derives solely from Johnson. Does Johnson believe in it (or anything) enough to stick with it when it gets icky? if he doesn’t, I think his flapping Woosterish buffoonery might start to seem less endearing to those who find it so now, if he ends up in ‘control’ and flying solo. |
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Strap yourselves in for the real fun to start, with both sides (EU and UK) due to release their plans for negotiations later this week.
The UK seem to be driving for a Canada+ type deal, with zero tariffs and the EU already suggesting that due to their geographical proximity
to one another, this isn't going to be possible.
Very interesting times ahead.
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