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When will Labour show some backbone, admit their mistake and move on? I fear it'll now only be after they get trounced in the next General Election which would be disastrous for the majority of Britons.

The clown must go asap.

I see that an opinion showed 2% of the electorate think he is a natural leader. I can only suppose thost few souls misunderstood the question or else they thought it referred to the talking horse off the telly.

The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day and with a pre-election improvement in the economy being almost inevitable surely even at this stage Labour would have nothing to lose by trying A N Other?

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Much as he was/is Blair-lite, they picked the wrong brother. Dave would have had the posh Dave for breakfast.

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Quote: Dally "When will Labour show some backbone, admit their mistake and move on? I fear it'll now only be after they get trounced in the next General Election which would be disastrous for the majority of Britons.

The clown must go asap.

I see that an opinion showed 2% of the electorate think he is a natural leader. I can only suppose thost few souls misunderstood the question or else they thought it referred to the talking horse off the telly.

The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day and with a pre-election improvement in the economy being almost inevitable surely even at this stage Labour would have nothing to lose by trying A N Other?'"

As much as I think you're baiting for a pro-Labour/anti-Conservative response, I think you have actually raised a very valid point.

My concern is that he is successfully deconstructing the Labour party which is one of only two real election contenders. UK politics is weak enough with only two contenders let alone should it be reduced to one. I think it will result in more hung parliaments and further indecision.

He is not a natural leader and the thought of him being prime minister is laughable. I don't think Cameron is a particularly good leader but Miliband would be a joke.

The Labour party need to change now ready for the next election otherwise whether the economy has improved or not it could be embarrassing. More to the point though, we will end up with a weak opposition government.

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Quote: Dally "When will Labour show some backbone, admit their mistake and move on? I fear it'll now only be after they get trounced in the next General Election which would be disastrous for the majority of Britons.

The clown must go asap.

I see that an opinion showed 2% of the electorate think he is a natural leader. I can only suppose thost few souls misunderstood the question or else they thought it referred to the talking horse off the telly.

The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day and with a pre-election improvement in the economy being almost inevitable surely even at this stage Labour would have nothing to lose by trying A N Other?'"


Ok, who's hacked Dally's account?

I agree totally that Labour seem extremely unlikely to win the next election with Ed in charge. The government has shown itself to be almost totally comprised of unpleasant houses, and yet Ed struggles to make even the tiniest bit of political capital out of the situation. Another five years of Tory rule is too terrible to contemplate, but it seems inevitable if Labour don't make a change pretty soon.

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Quote: Rock God X "
I agree totally that Labour seem extremely unlikely to win the next election with Ed in charge. The government has shown itself to be almost totally comprised of unpleasant houses, and yet Ed struggles to make even the tiniest bit of political capital out of the situation. Another five years of Tory rule is too terrible to contemplate, but it seems inevitable if Labour don't make a change pretty soon.'"


The really surprising thing is that this set of unpleasant houses have found a resonance throughout the country with their politics of attrition, lies and demonising those least likely to vote for them anyway.

In 20 years time academics will present case studies to aspiring political and psychology students with the title of "How the hell did they turn 51% of the country into houses ?"

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Dally would you be up for a friendly (or for charity) bet on the size of the Conservative majority at the next election.

How about we say 100 and I pay (or donate to a charity of your choice) £10 for every seat over that and you pay me £10 for every seat under that?

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Speaking personally it does not matter who Labour have as leader because I'll never vote for them again. I just hope most of the population have a similar view and reject all the main three political parties.

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On the one hand, this parliamentary term is different in that it is a fixed five years, this allows Milliband to keep his powder dry and ramp it up at the right time, he doesn't have to suddenly leap into action at a previously unknown date.
As the greatest area of mistrust of Labour is the economy, they won't be making any promises until they have a fair idea what the state of the economy will be in 2015.

On the other hand, I keep seeing stuff happening, especially around the economy, on which Labour should be speaking out but don't, which is most frustrating.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Dally would you be up for a friendly (or for charity) bet on the size of the Conservative majority at the next election.

How about we say 100 and I pay (or donate to a charity of your choice) £10 for every seat over that and you pay me £10 for every seat under that?'"


How about doing on percentage of total votes cast, ie democratically?

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So Ed announced after the Falkirk 'row' that there would be big changes to Labour's links to trade unions. Now a report has cleared them of any wrongdoing but this report is not being published (?). Oops - shambles.

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Quote: Ajw71 "So Ed announced after the Falkirk 'row' that there would be big changes to Labour's links to trade unions. Now a report has cleared them of any wrongdoing but this report is not being published (?). Oops - shambles.'"


But the report isn't being published, meaning the Tories are saying it's a stitch up. How could he cock up such a simple matter in so many ways? To think people will vote Labour at a GE with someone so ineffective in charge is laughable.

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Quote: Dally "But the report isn't being published, meaning the Tories are saying it's a stitch up. How could he cock up such a simple matter in so many ways? To think people will vote Labour at a GE with someone so ineffective in charge is laughable.'"



People NEARLY voted Cameron in and look what happens.

He makes a dead man look effective.

People who work for others and vote Tory are not logical thinkers IMO. You work hard to make other rich at YOUR expense and you think that's good, then blame people who want to help level the playing field and support you.

I notice how the Unions that have closed shops, (Equity, BMA, Law Society) are never condemned by Tories, nor are the major unions such as the Freight Transport Association, National Farmer Union!!!, CBI, Institute of Directors etc. are never criticised by Tories or people who post anti union dogma caused by lack of joined up coherent logical thinking ability.

Add this to the hypocrisy of Tories and right wing apologists who spout "work hard to improve yourself" but when you do they use ever means possible to prevent you "moving into our world". See how Tory governments have used the police as their civilian "army" to quell "riots" in this country but support right wing groups in other countries as "freedom fighters"

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Quote: Dally "

The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day '"


All tied up now...
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Quote: Ajw71 "All tied up now...

Yup, Labour and Conservative are neck and neck at the moment.
Which is slightly bad news for the Tories, as some of their seats are densely Tory with high majorities, which wastes support.

Still, they had the chance to go for Proportional Representation and spurned it.
If they'd helped the Cleggster with that, he might (?) have supported their boundary changes.

Oh well.

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Quote: El Barbudo "On the one hand, this parliamentary term is different in that it is a fixed five years, this allows Milliband to keep his powder dry and ramp it up at the right time, he doesn't have to suddenly leap into action at a previously unknown date.
As the greatest area of mistrust of Labour is the economy, they won't be making any promises until they have a fair idea what the state of the economy will be in 2015.

On the other hand, I keep seeing stuff happening, especially around the economy, on which Labour should be speaking out but don't, which is most frustrating.'"


Miliband has no powder to keep dry. If Labour has no plan, how is they managed to produce a plan they have been saying is the right way since they got trounced in 2010?

All that Labour has done is snipe from the sidelines & produce policy sounbytes that collapse under the slightest scrutiny.

They never miss an opportunity to speak out, but quickly shut up when they have to admit they won't repeal anything that has been done..

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