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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tax- ... y-industry
Looks like people in the traditional Tory voting areas are either considered more honest, have already been targetted or, more likely, HMRC do not have the avaiable officers in the SE? Interesting that some of our poorest regions are going to be made to pay up, just like the disabled have been most affected by cuts (even though the "most vulnerable" are supposedly to be protected). Maybe it's a plan to destroy the last vestiges of enterprise in these areas so that, when combined with benefits cuts, the areas become truly desolate and thereby ideal for fracking, whether or not their may be be oil there?
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tax- ... y-industry
Looks like people in the traditional Tory voting areas are either considered more honest, have already been targetted or, more likely, HMRC do not have the avaiable officers in the SE? Interesting that some of our poorest regions are going to be made to pay up, just like the disabled have been most affected by cuts (even though the "most vulnerable" are supposedly to be protected). Maybe it's a plan to destroy the last vestiges of enterprise in these areas so that, when combined with benefits cuts, the areas become truly desolate and thereby ideal for fracking, whether or not their may be be oil there?
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Same old Tories, if you don't vote for them they couldn't give a stuff.
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As is normal they pick a few selected regions in trades where they think there is opportunity for undeclaring of taxes, business like restaurants and boarding houses who handle lots of cash payments often without receipts (if not requested by the customer) are clearly going to be targets and so the selected areas are not surprising - if they manage to reach their collection target then no doubt it will be spread to other areas - pure coincidence that its in the north and possibly more to do with available resources.
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This also explains to me why a certain hotel local to here has recently ordered its staff to refuse tips from customers with no corresponding uplift in wage rate to compensate, if the customer absolutely insists its to go to a nominated charity, if the employee accepts and doesn't declare it then its a disciplinary matter - the hotel can now declare to HMRC that it has no liability for estimated income tax payments on employee tips.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "This also explains to me why a certain hotel local to here has recently ordered its staff to refuse tips from customers with no corresponding uplift in wage rate to compensate, if the customer absolutely insists its to go to a nominated charity, if the employee accepts and doesn't declare it then its a disciplinary matter - the hotel can now declare to HMRC that it has no liability for estimated income tax payments on employee tips.'"
For me, it would be far better to pay waiting staff a higher wage, put the extra on the menu and state that staff are paid a proper wage, so no gratuities please.
Simpler all round and HMRC can concentrate on the multi-billions that large corporations are avoiding, never mind the piddling millions that hospitality is failing to pay. |
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Doctors, lawyers and tradesmen have already been hit. It comes as no surprise that they are looking at other professions and industries.
I wonder how many people rent out property but fail to declare the income? If HMRC forced letting agents to disclose details of all their landlords I reckon around 50% of those would not be declaring their rental income.
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| Quote: The Video Ref " If HMRC forced letting agents to disclose details of all their landlords I reckon around 50% of those would not be declaring their rental income.'"
I'm quite shocked that they don't have to. |
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| Quote: Big Graeme "I'm quite shocked that they don't have to.'"
Not all landlords have letting agents |
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| Quote: Maple Leaf "Not all landlords have letting agents'"
I am aware of that, that wasn't what was being discussed though. |
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| Quote: JerryChicken "This also explains to me why a certain hotel local to here has recently ordered its staff to refuse tips from customers with no corresponding uplift in wage rate to compensate, if the customer absolutely insists its to go to a nominated charity, if the employee accepts and doesn't declare it then its a disciplinary matter - the hotel can now declare to HMRC that it has no liability for estimated income tax payments on employee tips.'"
Not true. If a hotel worker is given a tip and the worker keeps it, then the hotel has to pay 0 tax. The company only has to ensure tax is paid if the tips go into a tronc and then are distributed by the hotel.
The local hotel took this decision because workers were complaining that tip money was being used to cover the cost of breakages. |
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| Quote: Cookridge_Rhino "Not true. If a hotel worker is given a tip and the worker keeps it, then the hotel has to pay 0 tax. The company only has to ensure tax is paid if the tips go into a tronc and then are distributed by the hotel.
The local hotel took this decision because workers were complaining that tip money was being used to cover the cost of breakages.'"
We may be talking about a different hotel, although it is close to both our locations, the one I am referring to used to pool all of their tips (in theory) so that they were shared around the departments, and breakages were never part of the equation. |
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On the matter of tips – if you want to tip staff at a hotel, do it in cash directly and don't add it onto the room bill, even when you fill in the 'gratuity' section on the chit.
Hilton Liverpool doesn't hand those tips on, according to staff there, and I suspect it's not alone in that.
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Unless I misunderstand it, the effect of pooling tips is that the staff providing the best service are subsidising the tips for those who are not the best.
Is that not the opposite of what tipping is supposed to be for?
Better by far to pay a proper wage and stop treating staff like servants.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Unless I misunderstand it, the effect of pooling tips is that the staff providing the best service are subsidising the tips for those who are not the best.
Is that not the opposite of what tipping is supposed to be for?'"
Indeed. I got the impression – and this was from, in effect, three different staff at three different times – that the Hilton Liverpool staff see none of the tips added as a gratuity on forms for adding a bill to the room.
I have tweeted at the hotel about this, but they've not responded, so I assume that as an acknowledgement that this is what happens.
Quote: El Barbudo "Better by far to pay a proper wage and stop treating staff like servants.'"
Quite agree.
Mind, apparently in some restaurants, staff can make a fortune in tips. |
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Unless I misunderstand it, the effect of pooling tips is that the staff providing the best service are subsidising the tips for those who are not the best.
Is that not the opposite of what tipping is supposed to be for?
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That would be the case in a perfect world, in reality the issue of whether a person tips or not comes down to whether that person is a "tipper" or not, the staff can give the best possible service but if the customer does not tip or it doesn't even cross their mind (we aren't like America), then they won't get one - and in the hotel that I have knowledge of the vast majority of clients DO NOT tip as a matter of course (no reflection on the hotel which has three AA stars and a 66% TripAdvisor rating - 66% being very good on that site for moaning tw*ts)  |
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