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Apologies for the link, but it appears that rlMike Ashley's Sports Direct is 'employing' some 20,000 staff on zero-hours contractsrl.

This isn't a struggling independent company, but a rather larger concern. Flexibility is one thing, but zero-hours contracts are nothing but exploitation, and don't benefit the wider economy or the majority of individuals who find themselves in such a working situation.

Surely they should be made illegal?

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Should be made illegal?
Surely not, I mean Cameron says that EU employment law is too inflexible.

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Not necessarily defending this, but I will just comment on when I worked for JJB Sports during my college years (a few years back, I admit):

A good 80-90% of the staff easily were in the same or similar boat as me. When I was at the main Hull store there were probably a rotating 40-50 members of staff, including 1 manager, 1 assistant manager, 2 area supervisors, and a few other full-timers operating the tills etc. The rest was pretty much all college/university students working around their lectures/study time. Not having set hours or even having to come in if we didn't want suited most of us fine, as did being able to pick up extra hours if we were free from time to time and during the holiday periods.

IMO they're like many things, not inherently a problem, but open to abuse. I don't think you should ban things on that basis, but they do need policing better.

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Quote: carl_spackler "Not necessarily defending this, but I will just comment on when I worked for JJB Sports during my college years (a few years back, I admit)

That sounds rather disorganised on the part of the company, if it was just left to staff to turn up when they felt like it, wouldn't there be times when the shop was overstaffed and times when it was understaffed?

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Quote: carl_spackler "Not necessarily defending this, but I will just comment on when I worked for JJB Sports during my college years (a few years back, I admit)

The university wallers should have gone full-time.
They'd have been about £100,000 better off shortly with their staff bonus and no £30,000 of tuition fees debt. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: El Barbudo "That sounds rather disorganised on the part of the company, if it was just left to staff to turn up when they felt like it, wouldn't there be times when the shop was overstaffed and times when it was understaffed?'"


Well it wasn't just when you felt like on a whim.

What I meant was, nobody had fixed hours they had to do every week, but likewise nor were they guaranteed any hours, either. Rotas were done for about 4 weeks at a time by the manager. If anyone wanted the time off they were free to swap with another member of staff so long as management were informed and it was somebody who could do the same job.

Shops also 'lent' staff to each other if necessary.

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Quote: carl_spackler "Well it wasn't just when you felt like on a whim.

What I meant was, nobody had fixed hours they had to do every week, but likewise nor were they guaranteed any hours, either. Rotas were done for about 4 weeks at a time by the manager. If anyone wanted the time off they were free to swap with another member of staff so long as management were informed and it was somebody who could do the same job.

Shops also 'lent' staff to each other if necessary.'"


I can see this being of benefit to, as you suggest, students, but my prime concern is with the majority of those who are not students, who are employed on such contracts 'full time', so to speak, as their living.

As the article says, it's happening increasingly in the public services, particularly in the hugely privatised homecare area. This is just one aspect of the increasing casualisation of that sector, and it's not only not good for someone working in that way, but it's also not good for those they are supposed to be caring for.

Additionally, in the hunt both to cut costs and make a profit in that area, there's also a question of homecare workers increasingly only being given 15 minutes (or even less) to see each person they must visit, which is quite clearly not enough if someone needs help getting up and dressing, for instance, or in preparing food.

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Quote: Mintball "I can see this being of benefit to, as you suggest, students, but my prime concern is with the majority of those who are not students, who are employed on such contracts 'full time', so to speak, as their living.

As the article says, it's happening increasingly in the public services, particularly in the hugely privatised homecare area. This is just one aspect of the increasing casualisation of that sector, and it's not only not good for someone working in that way, but it's also not good for those they are supposed to be caring for.

Additionally, in the hunt both to cut costs and make a profit in that area, there's also a question of homecare workers increasingly only being given 15 minutes (or even less) to see each person they must visit, which is quite clearly not enough if someone needs help getting up and dressing, for instance, or in preparing food.'"


Those homecare wallahs can just make it up in their expense account surely?

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Zero hour contracts aren't a sudden surprise to anyone though are they?
It's been plain to see this is the way we've been heading for years, the back door has been left well and truly open.
The crime is that the labor movement and TUC haven't been able to effectively combat it as workers rights have been diminished and been increasingly eroded over the last three decades..

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Quote: Mintball "I can see this being of benefit to, as you suggest, students, but my prime concern is with the majority of those who are not students, who are employed on such contracts 'full time', so to speak, as their living.

As the article says, it's happening increasingly in the public services, particularly in the hugely privatised homecare area. This is just one aspect of the increasing casualisation of that sector, and it's not only not good for someone working in that way, but it's also not good for those they are supposed to be caring for.

Additionally, in the hunt both to cut costs and make a profit in that area, there's also a question of homecare workers increasingly only being given 15 minutes (or even less) to see each person they must visit, which is quite clearly not enough if someone needs help getting up and dressing, for instance, or in preparing food.'"


I agree, it definitely needs to be policed well as I said. I was simply saying that I wouldn't be too quick to assume Sports Direct are being hugely exploitative, as if it is anything like when I used to work in that area then the workforce is largely skewed towards students, so the 90% may well not be that unusual.

Simple maths from that piece says that there is an average of 56 members of staff at every Sports Direct shop. I find that massively hard to believe without it being lots of people effectively 'job-sharing' in the way we used to.

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Quote: cod'ead "Those homecare wallahs can just make it up in their expense account surely?'"

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The Guardian seems to think they're ok too.

rlhttp://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jul/30/zero-hours-contracts-case-studiesrl


Quote: "• Guardian News & Media, publisher of the Guardian, does not employ anyone on zero-hours contracts.

The company also has a fixed team of contracted outsourced staff in the canteen, security and switchboard. In the canteen none of the fixed staff are on zero-hours contracts.

However, the outsourced company does use six zero-hours employees to manage any sickness/holiday/overtime cover for canteen staff who work at GNM offices.

In other outsourced areas there are two people on zero-hours contracts who are based in the Guardian's Kings Place office. They are paid at least the London living wage and receive annual pay rises and training.'"


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The [iGuardian[/i being hypocritical does not change the issue.

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     Womens Super League 2024-R12
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
       Championship 2024-R24
17:00
Toulouse
v
Sheffield
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 1st Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
05:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
07:05
Sydney
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
12:00
LeedsW
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Wire W
14:00
Hudds W
v
St.HelensW
       League One 2024-R22
14:30
Crusaders
v
Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
15:00
LondonB
v
Leeds
       Championship 2024-R24
15:00
Batley
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
Halifax
15:00
Featherstone
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Wakefield
15:00
Whitehaven
v
York
       League One 2024-R22
15:00
Oldham
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Keighley
 Thu 5th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
10:50
Brisbane
v
Melbourne
 Fri 6th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
09:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
11:00
Souths
v
Sydney
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
17:15
Wire W
v
St.HelensW
17:30
LeedsW
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Wigan
v
Hull KR
 Sat 7th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
06:00
St.George
v
Canberra
08:30
Canterbury
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Penrith
v
Gold Coast
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
BarrowW
v
Hudds W
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Barrow
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
18:00
Salford
v
Catalans
 Sun 8th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
05:00
Manly
v
Cronulla
07:05
Newcastle
v
Dolphins
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
WiganW
v
York V
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
15:00
Huddersfield
v
LondonB
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
Dewsbury
15:00
Sheffield
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Featherstone
15:00
Wakefield
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Widnes
v
York
 Fri 13th Sep 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Fri 20th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
20:00
Wigan
v
Salford
 Sat 21st Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
 Sat 28th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Salford
Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wigan
Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Sun 25th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Leigh
SL
15:00
Wigan-Hull FC
Fri 30th Aug
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Warrington
Tue 6th Aug
SL 2 Wigan28-6Leigh
Sun 4th Aug
SL 20 LondonB12-10Catalans
WSL2024 10 FeatherstoneW6-68LeedsW
WSL2024 10 BarrowW6-64St.HelensW
WSL2024 10 Wire W0-61York V
WSL2024 10 WiganW70-0Hudds W
L1 18 Keighley72-12Newcastle
L1 18 Oldham32-0Midlands
L1 18 Rochdale46-32Cornwall
L1 18 Workington24-28Crusaders
CH 20 Barrow24-24Bradford
CH 20 Dewsbury16-42Wakefield
CH 20 Featherstone24-16Batley
CH 20 Halifax38-18York
CH 20 Sheffield22-20Doncaster
CH 20 Whitehaven12-24Widnes
NRL 22 Penrith22-14Newcastle
NRL 22 Canterbury22-18Canberra
Sat 3rd Aug
SL 20 Hull FC6-46St.Helens
SL 20 Salford22-16Leeds
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 20 523 264 259 32
Hull KR 20 503 259 244 30
Warrington 20 502 267 235 28
Salford 20 377 382 -5 26
St.Helens 20 501 262 239 24
Catalans 20 376 286 90 24
 
Leeds 20 371 364 7 20
Leigh 20 398 314 84 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 20 274 612 -338 6
LondonB 20 210 735 -525 4
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 18 626 222 404 34
Sheffield 18 510 303 207 26
Toulouse 17 516 224 292 25
Widnes 18 434 319 115 23
Bradford 18 421 321 100 22
Featherstone 18 464 375 89 18
 
Doncaster 18 338 432 -94 17
York 19 446 383 63 16
Batley 18 300 390 -90 16
Halifax 18 356 477 -121 14
Barrow 17 279 482 -203 13
Swinton 18 346 470 -124 12
Whitehaven 18 348 580 -232 12
Dewsbury 19 240 602 -362 2
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