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hope he experienced horrendous excruciating pain the last few years.

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Quote: CORNISH "hope he experienced horrendous excruciating pain the last few years.'"



Why? A lot of people believe he was a patsy, including some of the victims' families.

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Quote: Live Wired "Why? A lot of people believe he was a patsy, including some of the victims' families.'"


George Osbourne will TAX him to death then....ang on, patsy...oh right, sorry, carry on.

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So much doubt in this case, you wonder if the new regime in Libya means that maybe one day we'll know the truth? Probably not. It does seem remarkable that with the lack of physical, direct evidence the awful cop-out verdict of 'not proven' wasn't given.

I don't see why, now that he has died, the findings that made the Scottish Criminal Review bods decide to refer him to the appeal courts should't be used and investigated rather than just forgotten about because of the compassionate release. For them to find that he may have had a miscarriage of justice means they must have found something or believe that something may have been missed/overlooked or whatever and the families and victims (if not Al-Megrahi) surely deserve that doubt to be looked into?

One of the first 'big' world events I remember.

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One of the first 'big' world events I remember.'"


Me too

I will always remember the large fencing that was erected around the site. I think i was about 4 or 5.

I understand the outrage at the Scottish Parliament for releasing him early. I do though take some pride in the fact that according to his relatives, it was being scanned for security reasons whilst serving at her Majesty's pleasure that gave the bar-steward Cancer in the first place.

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Quote: tugglesf78 "Me too

I will always remember the large fencing that was erected around the site. I think i was about 4 or 5.

I understand the outrage at the Scottish Parliament for releasing him early. I do though take some pride in the fact that according to his relatives, it was being scanned for security reasons whilst serving at her Majesty's pleasure that gave the bar-steward Cancer in the first place.

GIRFUY'"


I was about 7. The image I remember is the photos of the big crater in Lockerbie village because the style of the houses is very similar to those nearby.

I understand the outrage, but I'm torn over the actual release. I think it was the right call made my Kenny McAskill. We have rules and processes and they shouldn't have been overridden because of the opinions of the Americans or because the rules are different elsewhere. Not sure how much that is because I just can't see how he was convicted on the evidence given though. Perhaps if it was blatantly obvious that he was the main man responsible I'd think differently.

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Prisoners are exchanged for political gains all the time. Lots of IRA and loyalist prisoners were offered early release in order to achieve the Good Friday agreement.

I wonder whether deep down they knew the original trial that had convicted Al Megrahi was dodgy and he might have been offered up as a scapegoat to close the book and claim justice, so when it came to the Libyans demanding him back in exchange for whatever, it was seen as a more reasonable trade than had there been more confidence in his guilt.

More serious IMO than our 'U turn' over Al Megrahi was the U turn in chumming up to Gaddafi, Tony Blair went over kissing his ass like Galloway did to Saddam, if Gaddafi was sponsoring terrorism and behind the Lockerbie bomb then being his best mate was a bigger insult to Lockerbie than the Al Megrahi release.

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More serious IMO than our 'U turn' over Al Megrahi was the U turn in chumming up to Gaddafi, Tony Blair went over kissing his ass like Galloway did to Saddam, if Gaddafi was sponsoring terrorism and behind the Lockerbie bomb then being his best mate was a bigger insult to Lockerbie than the Al Megrahi release.'"


And if we followed the hardline with the IRA, they'd still be blowing lumps out of Belfast and the mainland

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What direct physical evidence do you expect to find linking someone who plans a bombing but gets others to do it and the bombing itself?

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If he was guilty, he certainly was not the only one involved.

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Interesting "refresher" article in this week's [iPrivate Eye[/i about possible miscarriage of justice (forensic evidence withheld, mistaken identity by a key witness who may or may not have been influenced by others), suggests this was a convenient conviction which merits further examination.

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Quote: Chris28 "Interesting "refresher" article in this week's [iPrivate Eye[/i about possible miscarriage of justice (forensic evidence withheld, mistaken identity by a key witness who may or may not have been influenced by others), suggests this was a convenient conviction which merits further examination.'"


They have been pretty consistent in their belief that this was never as portrayed and always held the blame at Palestinian rebels funded by Syria. The Maltese angle was always pretty flimsy evidence at best.

After all these year the relatives of those who died deserve to have the truth given to them, without the CIA and M15 "need to blame" elements.

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Quote: Homer "After all these year the relatives of those who died deserve to have the truth given to them, without the CIA and M15 "need to blame" elements.'"


Indeed. It's quite scandelous that the only conviction in this case was declared unsafe by the SCCRC, yet that is being basically ignored because of his compassionate release leaving the relatives in complete limbo.

If anyone fancies a read of it the SCCRC's statement on the appeal it's online rlhererl

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