Amen to that !

What was it the Dadaists said? For something new to be created, first everything must be destroyed.

Summed up perfectly

Spoken like a true daily mail reader! Immigrants who are willing to come over here and do the jobs that English white caucasions won't do are more of a tax burden than the English white caucasions who don't want to work and would rather claim benefits.

That's gold, even for you Dally. The gift that keeps on giving.

Regards

King James

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... revious/v1 Do you accept that the ?? 3 million plus EU migrants have contributed to the significant increase in the population and this is a contributing note contributing factor to stretched NHS, schools, doctors etc

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... revious/v1 Do you accept that the ?? 3 million plus EU migrants have contributed to the significant increase in the population and this is a contributing note contributing factor to stretched NHS, schools, doctors etc

How much of a contributing factor? Is it a big number?

I would expect most immigrants to be of an age where they present the least burden to the NHS.

The ageing population - i.e. that which places most burden on the NHS will be predominantly British non immigrant.

IMO the biggest contributory factor on stretched public services are domestic policies of "austerity".

How many of those immigrants work in public services?

As Bren2k posted earlier, the Tories and their press have been very, very, successful at planting the seed of "immigrants being to blame" for the NHS being overstretched.
Baring in mind that the most expensive patients are the over 65 (£6,000 p/a) and the over 80's at (£8,000 p/a) but, "everybody" believes "them" all to be health tourists.


How, when ALL public services have been slashed, can the Tories still manage to sell a lie, it's quite incredible, anyone would think that they had friends in the media

and an impotent opposition

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Furthermore - the single biggest cost to the benefit bill is pensions; certainly not immigrants, or even fraudsters, or scroungers with 16 kids and two council houses knocked together. Despite that, the narrative around benefits is always disproportionately skewed, to the point where a whole new genre of 'benefit porn' reportage has been spawned, dutifully trotted out by the Daily Fail and it's lower rent counterparts - and somewhat incongruously, Channel 4.

The Tories have a long history of dividing the working classes in order to conquer them - and they've done it with stunning success to embed the idea of 'austerity' as a requirement; whilst quietly overseeing a £555 billion increase in government debt since 2010.

Potentially brexit could be a disaster, certainly it can't be resolved in a two year time slot. The one piece of good news I read today was an idea that until trade agreements are reached ,we would work on a zero tariff trade basis. This may take up to ten years but probably gets everybody off the hook. Also a lot can very obviously happen over ten years.
I would think whatever the outcome we will have to make some financial contributions. It's highly unlikely we will get any decent deals without some kind of payment.

Thing is it's all so unnecessary. With all the problems in public services, housing etc Brexit is likely to be as welcome and as distracting as a fart in a space suit.

Harsh but true.

Nothing to do with our enormous national debt then?

Which as I've already pointed out, is even more enormous after 7 years of Tory rule than it was to begin with; so they've increased the national debt by £555bn, but continued to massively defund the NHS - because it's a deliberate, ideological strategy to privatise, and nothing at all to do with 'reducing the deficit.' And immigration is a red herring of epic proportions - the biggest impact immigrants have on health and social care, is to staff it.

Thanks bren2k, summed up perfectly.

You should also consider that Britain produces more EU migrants than any other country within it.

Which means any reduction in immigration would be tempered by a reduction in emigration.

Well the deficit has reduced but until it becomes a surplus (if ever) national debt will continue to rise as a result of there being a continuing budget deficit and interest payments to meet.

And in pursuing a budget surplus, the government takes short term actions that have an adverse effect on economic growth, such as reducing government borrowing for infrastructure projects, spending cuts to public services and increasing taxes. The money to create a surplus has to come from somewhere in the economy - and thanks to Brexit, the UK economy is probably more fragile than at any time in the post-war era. Scary stuff.

Just a quick congratulations to old Duggie. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... ell-quits/ Job Done.

Just a quick congratulations to old Duggie. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... ell-quits/ Job Done.

Life has suddenly improved, who'd have thought it.
Mrs May is once again blowing hot air (this time in the direction of Europe) and the 27 member "states" are laughing back at her.
It should be a really interesting negotiation.

Usual socialists want to spend,spend,spend. Gordon Brown sold out gold at the lowest point, Tony Bleurgh invaded Iraq and Afghanistan on false pretences. The NHS is bloated with managers, it's not underfunded, it's badly managed. Cosmetic surgery, gender reassignment, you name it. Thankfully Mrs May has started to turn us around.

Do you work in the NHS? I have for some time and know for a fact what you say is utter claptrap.

In your opinion, the NHS needs dismantaling, too many staff, too many unwarranted prescriptions, pointless surgeries. Go for the US model, pay for the treatment you need, stop health tourism.

Yeah leave millions without healthcare, balls to em. If they can't pay tough. Back to the 1930s.

If you're poor it's because your idle. Should work harder. If you're ill it's all down to lifestyle choices so no sympathy.

Are we on the same page yet?

Simply untrue - the NHS, and Social Care, have suffered swingeing cuts since the inception of this god-awful austerity agenda; as have the police, fire service, schools, libraries, sports and leisure - you name it.

I work to the NHS and Social Services, and I'm involved on a voluntary basis in education - and I see no evidence of this bloatedness or poor management that you refer to; for sure there is always room for efficiency and streamlining, but that would be better designed and delivered by practitioners and experts - not government officials with cutting costs as their primary driver.

Not at all, basic health needs should be met. But not breast enlargements, gender change etc. Half our health care professionals can hardly speak English, Doctors getting hundreds of thousands of pounds but still working privately as well, the NHS is corrupt, drug companies making millions, if not billions. It's just my opinion.