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| He had better hope that what happened to May who was actually in a stronger position but avoided debate does not happen to him. I think we can finally put to bed the theory he is a great debater and negotiator because he isn’t. When it comes to telling lies he is one of the best. He adopts the Trump teaching that regardless of what is the truth keep repeating the lies until it becomes the truth to some.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "He had better hope that what happened to May who was actually in a stronger position but avoided debate does not happen to him. I think we can finally put to bed the theory he is a great debater and negotiator because he isn’t. When it comes to telling lies he is one of the best. He adopts the Trump teaching that regardless of what is the truth keep repeating the lies until it becomes the truth to some.'"
I agree he is not great debater he mumbles and doesn't appear as confident as I thought he would be. They are all as bad as each other when it comes to telling lies - as soon as they open their mouth they are lying
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree he is not great debater he mumbles and doesn't appear as confident as I thought he would be. They are all as bad as each other when it comes to telling lies - as soon as they open their mouth they are lying'"
I think, in politics generally, there has been a shift from the half-truth, misleading statement and failure to keep one’s word, to shameless bare-faced lying. Presumably because it is effective.
However, I think Johnson is different; he is utterly wedded to falsehood. He prefers things this way. An issue with a lot of politicians has been that you can’t trust what they say to be true. Counter-intuitively, you can kind of trust Johnson because EVERYTHING he says is rubbish, consistently and without any important exception that I can think of. You’d think the odd bit of truthfulness might slip through accidentally from time to time, or align with his own frightening narcissistic self-interest - but no, it never does.
I think the likes of Trump and Johnson have created a new paradigm by being open about lying, and some people seem to see someone being honest and unashamed about their dishonesty as progress. In fairness, I think Trump is genuinely delusional as well, which adds another layer.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "Not according to his buffoon followers in the right wing rags, who believe Andrew Neil is bullying him. You couldn't make this stuff up.'"
Andrew Neil tries to bully everyone but, the issue here is that Johnson is clearly running scared, which really isn't a great trait for any leader and the world is watching.
For all his ambition and well spoken bluster, Boris has been found out - I still dont get how ANY traditional Labour supporter can vote for him.
Some people really need to give their head a shake.
Also, I dont think that Labour have played a great hand in the election campaign.
Of course it's been mentioned but, the 10+ years of austerity cuts, hitting those with the very least, the hardest, is and always was the Tories achilleas heal and this above all else should have been exploited.
The Tories tried to dent Labour's armour with promises of spending on education and health but, they have been let off the hook for the last 10 years.
Education and child poverty have been shocking (and continue to be so) but, it does seem that some have forgiven them way too quickly.
It should be an interesting head to head this evening although, I hope that everyone has their Boris bingo cards ready because this guy has very little actual substance and will quickly revert to soundbites.
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| The problem is that people are obsessed by Brexit at the expense of everything else. They may get Brexit but they will also get further austerity made worse by Brexit. I expect if when we find out that the report today is accurate he will blame the E.U.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The less he is seen the less damage can be done.'"
Which completely gives the game away that he's nothing but a fraud, a liar and a charlatan. Even his own party and advisors know it.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "
I see lemon-faced Long Bailey was once again taken to the cleaners on Today this morning over the "alleged" £6,700 savings per family - it was shown up for what it is - complete b0ll0cks - she couldn't even say approximately how many families would see the whole benefit. Why because its pure fantasy and virtually nobody we see the whole benefit.'"
I listened to that and thought to myself, "the interviewer is pretending they don't understand how averages work in an attempt to overtly demonstrate their impartiality".
It was a bonkers waste of time when they could have been asking about the substance of the Labour party's policy proposals.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "The problem is that people are obsessed by Brexit at the expense of everything else. They may get Brexit but they will also get further austerity made worse by Brexit. I expect if when we find out that the report today is accurate he will blame the E.U.'"
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I listened to that and thought to myself, "the interviewer is pretending they don't understand how averages work in an attempt to overtly demonstrate their impartiality".
It was a bonkers waste of time when they could have been asking about the substance of the Labour party's policy proposals.'"
It wasn't averages was it - it was the most anyone could save if they were lucky enough to have the lot - which Long Bailey was unable to quantify because it is so minimal as to be insignificant. Another Labour falsehood - how many should they be allowed to get away with?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Andrew Neil tries to bully everyone but, the issue here is that Johnson is clearly running scared, which really isn't a great trait for any leader and the world is watching.
For all his ambition and well spoken bluster, Boris has been found out - I still dont get how ANY traditional Labour supporter can vote for him.
Some people really need to give their head a shake.
Also, I dont think that Labour have played a great hand in the election campaign.
Of course it's been mentioned but, the 10+ years of austerity cuts, hitting those with the very least, the hardest, is and always was the Tories achilleas heal and this above all else should have been exploited.
The Tories tried to dent Labour's armour with promises of spending on education and health but, they have been let off the hook for the last 10 years.
Education and child poverty have been shocking (and continue to be so) but, it does seem that some have forgiven them way too quickly.
It should be an interesting head to head this evening although, I hope that everyone has their Boris bingo cards ready because this guy has very little actual substance and will quickly revert to soundbites.'"
Labour have a number of problems - its leadership for a start - two old Marxists doesn't really fill the country with hope. The women have been a liability. Their new give away a day isn't credible - nobody believes it.
Most understand you have to encourage business otherwise wealth generation simply evaporates. Labour simply want to cane business - it isn't just the increase in CT its the sneeky stuff - reduction of capital allowances. If you want business to invest that is the last thing you should be doing. Who is going to give up 10% of the shares so workers can inherit those for free? Or are companies simply going to issue additional shares and dilute everyone's investment? The idea that a cleaner can sit on the board of sizable PLC and make any kind of meaningful contribution defies any kind of logic - its this kind of unrealistic thinking that hits the credibility of Labour.
Brexit has been a complete disaster for Labour - its policy hasn't an ounce of credibility - I have many times who is going to campaign for Leave? Ian - the NUM paid off my mortgage - Lavery? another fine upstanding member of the Labour party. Corbyn love of the IRA has come back to haunt him and dulled him.
Labour calls the Tories on Islamaphobia - perhaps given what has happened on London Bridge the Tories should be apprehensive about a religion that promotes killing of non-believers and tangibly demonstrates its beliefs. Not seen many Jews stabbing and blowing people up - what are Labour so afraid of?
On austerity Labour are hardly on a strong footing - it was what the Tories inherited from Labour that forced austerity!!
On education - how can you have a system where there are no checks and balances on standards - Labour want to remove all school inspections, Stats etc - why is that because a few teaching unions don't like their members being monitored. I don't like Gove but he was the best education minister since Thatcher - he toughened up the exams - no bad thing.
We see at SWT and the universities what increased union power will lead to - good luck with that
Corbyn is not trusted on national security - he wants the Russian interference report published because he thinks it will hurt the Tories. Next thing he is using a Russian leaked document to make a feeble point on the NHS - you simply could make this stuff up - it would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Then he leaks another document on the Brexit deal - and he wonders why he isn't trusted on security!!
Then you have all the lies - everytime any of them open their mouth a lie emerges - they talk about Boris but they are equally bad if not worse.
Lesss said about Momentum and Wokeness the better.
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| So because the London Bridge attack was caused by an Islamic supporter the Conservatives are within their rights to be islamophobic. I note that they have three supporters being investigated for being anti Semitic.
You have a party funded by Russian oligarchs and are sitting on a report regarding Russian involvement why.
I see you have been reading the conservative leaflet mummy will be proud.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Labour have a number of problems - its leadership for a start - two old Marxists doesn't really fill the country with hope. The women have been a liability. Their new give away a day isn't credible - nobody believes it.
Most understand you have to encourage business otherwise wealth generation simply evaporates. Labour simply want to cane business - it isn't just the increase in CT its the sneeky stuff - reduction of capital allowances. If you want business to invest that is the last thing you should be doing. Who is going to give up 10% of the shares so workers can inherit those for free? Or are companies simply going to issue additional shares and dilute everyone's investment? The idea that a cleaner can sit on the board of sizable PLC and make any kind of meaningful contribution defies any kind of logic - its this kind of unrealistic thinking that hits the credibility of Labour.
Brexit has been a complete disaster for Labour - its policy hasn't an ounce of credibility - I have many times who is going to campaign for Leave? Ian - the NUM paid off my mortgage - Lavery? another fine upstanding member of the Labour party. Corbyn love of the IRA has come back to haunt him and dulled him.
Labour calls the Tories on Islamaphobia - perhaps given what has happened on London Bridge the Tories should be apprehensive about a religion that promotes killing of non-believers and tangibly demonstrates its beliefs. Not seen many Jews stabbing and blowing people up - what are Labour so afraid of?
On austerity Labour are hardly on a strong footing - it was what the Tories inherited from Labour that forced austerity!!
On education - how can you have a system where there are no checks and balances on standards - Labour want to remove all school inspections, Stats etc - why is that because a few teaching unions don't like their members being monitored. I don't like Gove but he was the best education minister since Thatcher - he toughened up the exams - no bad thing.
We see at SWT and the universities what increased union power will lead to - good luck with that
Corbyn is not trusted on national security - he wants the Russian interference report published because he thinks it will hurt the Tories. Next thing he is using a Russian leaked document to make a feeble point on the NHS - you simply could make this stuff up - it would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Then he leaks another document on the Brexit deal - and he wonders why he isn't trusted on security!!
Then you have all the lies - everytime any of them open their mouth a lie emerges - they talk about Boris but they are equally bad if not worse.
Lesss said about Momentum and Wokeness the better.'" Fortunately your rather extreme views on most issues are a long way from the mainstream in British society.
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| You say Labour have a credibility problem however the polls suggest Corbyn is trusted more than Johnson.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Fortunately your rather extreme views on most issues are a long way from the mainstream in British society.'"
Depends what you term "mainstream society".
You presume the majority view the world as you do. You might wonder, then, why Labour aren't romping home.
And this is where I see a huge paradox with traditional working class Labour support. I don't hear many working class folk expressing any love for freedom of movement and mass immigration, I don't hear any positive language around Islam, I don't hear any love for the EU. Working class folk don't generally care for "progressive" and "woke" standards of political correctness. A spade is a spade. You can take your offence and fook right off, is pretty much how it goes.
Go into a pub in some of our beloved towns across the north and the language will be anything but woke or correct. Most working class folk don't care about comments like 'letterbox' burkas. Most chuckle and say 'that's naughty', and get on with their lives. Actually, just as most non-working class folk with more important things to worry about do.
Academics, journalists, left politicians and other lefty types simply can't accept or understand any of this. That's why when I predicted a leave vote in 2016, every single one of my London-based "woke" colleagues saw their 4rse at me. Guess who was a smug bast'rd the next time I saw them.
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| If you can find a pub that is still open after 9 years of Conservative rule.
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