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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I come back to the point I made earlier - how many teachers have been infected as a result of the schools remaining open - if there had been above a handful the unions would have been screaming from the rooftops - this is not about kids this is the unions trying to regain lost ground simple as - you know as does most of the country.'"
I know it doesnt answer your question, because as you know its impossible to find that out.
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A teacher has died at the age of 35 after it is believed she contracted Covid-19, the school's principal has said in a letter to parents.
This was 10 days after lockdown
2 weeks ago ONS
At least 65 education sector workers with COVID-19 have died, new statistics show.
Data published today by the Office for National Statistics provides information on deaths involving COVID-19 across England and Wales, broken down by occupation.
It shows at least 65 education staff have died with coronavirus, of which 43 were women and 22 were men, as of April 20.
That includes 17 secondary school teachers, seven primary and nursery teachers, two SEND teachers, ten teaching assistants, six school lunchtime supervisors and school crossing patrols and two school secretaries.
However some of the occupation groups are generic (ie senior professionals of education establishments), so it’s unclear which education sector some of these staff worked in (see full table below).
The figures also include 10 higher education and 10 further education staff who have died with COVID-19.
The statistics solely look at the deceased’s occupation, it provides no further analysis – such as where the disease was caught
The rate of COVID-19-related deaths among teaching and educational professionals, which for the purposes of the data collection excludes TAs, educational support assistants, lunchtime and crossing patrols, school secretaries and advisers and inspectors, was 6.7 per 100,000 for men and 3.3 for women.
This is roughly the same rate as those classed as business and public service associate professionals (6.8 and 2.7) and corporate managers and directors (6.4 and 2.6), but much lower than those in elementary trades and related occupations (27.8 and 12.5) and those in textiles, printing and other skilled trades (24.6 and 7.0).
The ONS stated its analysis “does not prove conclusively that the observed rates of death involving Covid-19 are necessarily caused by differences in occupational exposure”.
They also said the findings could change as more deaths are registered. And while the findings were adjusted for age, they do not take other factors such as pre-existing health conditions or ethnicity into account
n a separate analysis also published today,the ONS created an estimate of potential exposure to coronavirus for UK occupations, based on figures from a United States study last year.
It stated that workers in the education sector have “lower exposure to disease than healthcare workers, but primary and nursery education teaching professionals, and special needs education professionals work in close proximity with pupils, and are more likely to be exposed to disease than secondary or higher education teaching professionals
The findings come as the government today set out its plans to reopen schools to more pupils from June 1, at the earliest.
New Department for Education guidance released this evening set out how ministers believe schools can reopen safely, including capping class sizes at 15 pupils. However the government admitted that primary pupils will be unable to observe social distancing measures.
The government’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, said at the daily coronavirus briefing today that teachers and parents are “understandably concerned about individual risk” of schools reopening, and that will be something “we’re consulting on with the profession”.
He added it was “very important” to have a “proper debate to make sure people understand that we can do many things to reduce the risk”.
Overall, the ONS statistics showed that men in low-skilled jobs were almost four times more likely to die from coronavirus than men in professional occupations
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"how many teachers have been infected as a result of the schools remaining open'"
The school where I'm based has an enrolment of about 2,100 kids this year. Staff members usually run well into the hundreds. Do you know how many kids and staff members are currently attending? 10 to 15, with about 6 staff members.
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| amazing isnt it, we are suddenly surrounded by school teachers, care workers.. I can't wait until they say Churches should open... any political point scoring opportunity for the lunatic left. If MangePuss 1&2 and the other idiots spent 1/5 of the time WORKING as they do spouting shoite on here they may [ijust[/i have a valid opinion.
it is amazing how we ever managed an economy full of these work shy individua...oh, hang on, it is because WE pay for their high ideals!
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| Another well reasoned argument
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Another well reasoned argument'"
What do you expect from the Boris cheerleader-in-chief? He'll be too busy revelling in the lies of the 5 o'clock trolling session to engage his brain in anything but drivel.
At least we know the direction of travel for the Boris government now. They can do what they want, and Boris will cover for them. We have to do what we're told, and face the consequences if we don't.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I know it doesnt answer your question, because as you know its impossible to find that out.
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A teacher has died at the age of 35 after it is believed she contracted Covid-19, the school's principal has said in a letter to parents.
This was 10 days after lockdown
2 weeks ago ONS
At least 65 education sector workers with COVID-19 have died, new statistics show.
Data published today by the Office for National Statistics provides information on deaths involving COVID-19 across England and Wales, broken down by occupation.
It shows at least 65 education staff have died with coronavirus, of which 43 were women and 22 were men, as of April 20.
That includes 17 secondary school teachers, seven primary and nursery teachers, two SEND teachers, ten teaching assistants, six school lunchtime supervisors and school crossing patrols and two school secretaries.
However some of the occupation groups are generic (ie senior professionals of education establishments), so it’s unclear which education sector some of these staff worked in (see full table below).
The figures also include 10 higher education and 10 further education staff who have died with COVID-19.
The statistics solely look at the deceased’s occupation, it provides no further analysis – such as where the disease was caught
The rate of COVID-19-related deaths among teaching and educational professionals, which for the purposes of the data collection excludes TAs, educational support assistants, lunchtime and crossing patrols, school secretaries and advisers and inspectors, was 6.7 per 100,000 for men and 3.3 for women.
This is roughly the same rate as those classed as business and public service associate professionals (6.8 and 2.7) and corporate managers and directors (6.4 and 2.6), but much lower than those in elementary trades and related occupations (27.8 and 12.5) and those in textiles, printing and other skilled trades (24.6 and 7.0).
The ONS stated its analysis “does not prove conclusively that the observed rates of death involving Covid-19 are necessarily caused by differences in occupational exposure”.
They also said the findings could change as more deaths are registered. And while the findings were adjusted for age, they do not take other factors such as pre-existing health conditions or ethnicity into account
n a separate analysis also published today,the ONS created an estimate of potential exposure to coronavirus for UK occupations, based on figures from a United States study last year.
It stated that workers in the education sector have “lower exposure to disease than healthcare workers, but primary and nursery education teaching professionals, and special needs education professionals work in close proximity with pupils, and are more likely to be exposed to disease than secondary or higher education teaching professionals
The findings come as the government today set out its plans to reopen schools to more pupils from June 1, at the earliest.
New Department for Education guidance released this evening set out how ministers believe schools can reopen safely, including capping class sizes at 15 pupils. However the government admitted that primary pupils will be unable to observe social distancing measures.
The government’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, said at the daily coronavirus briefing today that teachers and parents are “understandably concerned about individual risk” of schools reopening, and that will be something “we’re consulting on with the profession”.
He added it was “very important” to have a “proper debate to make sure people understand that we can do many things to reduce the risk”.
Overall, the ONS statistics showed that men in low-skilled jobs were almost four times more likely to die from coronavirus than men in professional occupations'"
The first line was all that was needed - if there were a host of infections for the teaching profession who have been looking after the kids in school - the unions would be shouting from the top of the hills. The fact their not suggests to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that the incidences has proved to be very low. This is a profession that regularly organises training days during term time and a profession who's union has stopped them doing lessons by zoom - what does that say - they are more interested in the teachers than the kids education.
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| He obviously doesn’t watch the briefings because he was not aware of the fact that the second public question had to be read out. Is defence of Cummings did not go well at all and from his many none answers we can assume he went to Barnard Castle.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"What do you expect from the Boris cheerleader-in-chief? He'll be too busy revelling in the lies of the 5 o'clock trolling session to engage his brain in anything but drivel.
At least we know the direction of travel for the Boris government now. They can do what they want, and Boris will cover for them. We have to do what we're told, and face the consequences if we don't.'"
We all make mistakes - I'm sure if you had been sacked for every mistakes you had made you would be unemployable - learning from your mistakes is key to growing as a person. Having a supportive manager is key to career development.
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| The only problem with that is I haven’t made a mistake which has led to 30,000 deaths.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"We all make mistakes - I'm sure if you had been sacked for every mistakes you had made you would be unemployable - learning from your mistakes is key to growing as a person. Having a supportive manager is key to career development.'"
Nah, he just lays on his other arm until the pins and needles swap sides.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"We all make mistakes - I'm sure if you had been sacked for every mistakes you had made you would be unemployable - learning from your mistakes is key to growing as a person. Having a supportive manager is key to career development.'"
We really are through the looking glass.
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| Quote ="Willzay"The only problem with that is I haven’t made a mistake which has led to 30,000 deaths.'"
Are you saying Cummins is responsible for 30,000 deaths?
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"We really are through the looking glass.'"
Not at all - Cummins working for Labour and Milne working for the Tories - Labour would have won the election.
You move key people along and they strengthen your opposition - not a great strategic decision
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| I can’t believe you are defending the indefensible, he doesn’t even show any humility hence why Johnson likes him.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"The first line was all that was needed - if there were a host of infections for the teaching profession who have been looking after the kids in school - the unions would be shouting from the top of the hills. The fact their not suggests to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that the incidences has proved to be very low. This is a profession that regularly organises training days during term time and a profession who's union has stopped them doing lessons by zoom - what does that say - they are more interested in the teachers than the kids education.'"
You have no idea how many teachers have or havent been off or affected by the virus, go and find your own answers or are you afraid tou may not like them.
It's obvious from your tone of reply not only this time but in your many other posts on this subject that have accused teachers of being pretty much everything bad you want to portray them as whilst ignoring what 99% of them actually are.
Maybe they're the new NHS, you know the wasteful beuractic bunch whove been mistreated for 10/12 years and have suddenly become the heroes (which they pretty much always were) so now we have to find a new scapegoat.
I should have stopped after 4 words.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I can’t believe you are defending the indefensible, he doesn’t even show any humility hence why Johnson likes him.'"
He wont - why should he - if he genuinely thinks he has done the best for his family then so be it.
Johnson knows his worth - let's move on
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| Quote ="Jukesays"You have no idea how many teachers have or havent been off or affected by the virus, go and find your own answers or are you afraid tou may not like them.
It's obvious from your tone of reply not only this time but in your many other posts on this subject that have accused teachers of being pretty much everything bad you want to portray them as whilst ignoring what 99% of them actually are.
Maybe they're the new NHS, you know the wasteful beuractic bunch whove been mistreated for 10/12 years and have suddenly become the heroes (which they pretty much always were) so now we have to find a new scapegoat.
I should have stopped after 4 words.'"
Agreed - this is not a slur on teachers - more a question for their masters the union - who seem intent on flexing their muscles!!
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"He wont - why should he - if he genuinely thinks he has done the best for his family then so be it.
Johnson knows his worth - let's move on'"
My 3 year old won't be going to nursery on June the 1st. After all, I genuinely think I'll be doing the best for my family.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"We all make mistakes - I'm sure if you had been sacked for every mistakes you had made you would be unemployable - learning from your mistakes is key to growing as a person. Having a supportive manager is key to career development.'"
I'm sure we do however, we're not the ones driving government policy decisions.
B.t.w. I'm unsure who you're referring to with the supportive manager analogy?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"He wont - why should he - if he genuinely thinks he has done the best for his family then so be it.
Johnson knows his worth - let's move on'"
Well even for me who generally backs the Tories, whether Cummings thinks it’s best or not, it appears to be against the lockdown guidelines in more than one way - if he remains in his job it means that the rest of the country can pretty much do what they want - they will lose an awful lot of credibility over this, to the extent that i wouldn’t be surprised to see some cabinet ministers quit over it
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| What do the police do now? How do they say, "I'm fining you for an unnecessary journey" without Joe Public turning round and saying "eff off!".
Who's going to stop people just piling into supermarkets?
Who's going to stop people traveling across the country and just doing what they like?
How are they going to enforce kids going back to school or adults going back to work?
I think this weekend will have said to some that lockdown is over, and to others that they can do as they please.
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| Quote ="ColD"Well even for me who generally backs the Tories, whether Cummings thinks it’s best or not, it appears to be against the lockdown guidelines in more than one way - if he remains in his job it means that the rest of the country can pretty much do what they want
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I generally keep out of these debates but yes, BoJo supporting his buddy takes the shackles off the general public (those who were respecting the 'rules').
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"What do the police do now? How do they say, "I'm fining you for an unnecessary journey" without Joe Public turning round and saying "eff off!".
Bank Holiday Monday tomorrow... Should be interesting.'"
Indeed. Massive own goal. The government can now have little complaint if large numbers ignore future instructions (and that's from someone who hasn't left home other than for medical appointments and shopping in 8 weeks).
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| I'd have had more respect for him if hed said "Yeah, hes had a misjudgment and done something wrong, he/we apologise" etc.
The blatant contempt they hold the public in and the lies they're twisting to justify it is astounding.
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| I'd sack Cummings for having the same t-shirt on for two days in a row.
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