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| Quote: Sal Paradise "So the whole country should suffer so a few religious nuts wont kill each other, really. They can't even form their own parliament why do we give these idiots any credence whatsoever - as I said we allow gang killings every week in East London I don't see you complaining. Why is Ireland a special case? We have an example of yet another Islam-related killing last week yet we think its unacceptable to criticise - if we do we are labelled racists, again why should Ireland be such a special case? Why should this miniscule minority its issues hold us all back?
Who is to say it will return or that the Good Friday agreement will stop a repeat - let's face it as soon as the Catholics have ascendency in the north the protestants will be second class citizens and violence will commence once again. They can't even have a democratic assembly.'"
Okay, what you’re doing here is devaluing other people’s values, beliefs, perspectives and even to some extent humanity, as they are in the way of your priorities.
Now we all do something similar to some extent, i imagine, but generally most of us are aware that if we run too far with it, we’ll look really bad, selfish, cruel, etc. and lose the argument
I mean, I read your position as ‘there’s gang violence in London, so there’s no reason not to have a super hard brexit’. It’s one of the most random grab bags of nonsense i’ve ever seen, outside of a Donald Trump speech.
Imagine if my position was that ‘we shouldn’t be forced into this appalling mistake by a bunch of <insert every prejudiced stereotype about Brexit-voters>, because there is too much domestic violence and nobody is talking about that.’
Basically, you condone wife-beating, because you’re not woke and voted for Brexit.
Tbf, that is the rhetorical spirit this general election campaign is being conducted in, with two bogeyman leaders motivating the other side’s base. What a massive failure.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Okay, what you’re doing here is devaluing other people’s values, beliefs, perspectives and even to some extent humanity, as they are in the way of your priorities.
Now we all do something similar to some extent, i imagine, but generally most of us are aware that if we run too far with it, we’ll look really bad, selfish, cruel, etc. and lose the argument
I mean, I read your position as ‘there’s gang violence in London, so there’s no reason not to have a super hard brexit’. It’s one of the most random grab bags of nonsense i’ve ever seen, outside of a Donald Trump speech.
Imagine if my position was that ‘we shouldn’t be forced into this appalling mistake by a bunch of <insert every prejudiced stereotype about Brexit-voters>, because there is too much domestic violence and nobody is talking about that.’
Basically, you condone wife-beating, because you’re not woke and voted for Brexit.
Tbf, that is the rhetorical spirit this general election campaign is being conducted in, with two bogeyman leaders motivating the other side’s base. What a massive failure.'"
It's far worse than that.
To effectively trash a peace deal in Ireland for some ideological "power grab" against a "perceived" economic enemy is quite vulgar and then to justify it because we "allow" gang violence on the streets of London.
I'd suggest that we should be dealing with the drug related violence and not trying to deliberately add to it, may be a better solution.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "It's far worse than that.
To effectively trash a peace deal in Ireland for some ideological "power grab" against a "perceived" economic enemy is quite vulgar and then to justify it because we "allow" gang violence on the streets of London.
I'd suggest that we should be dealing with the drug related violence and not trying to deliberately add to it, may be a better solution.'"
Aye, if you could disregard any negative consequence of an action because there are other negative things in the world, then it would be easier to advocate a position.
Never mind the democratic mandate for Brexit, it’s not like they have democracy in North Korea, is it? And we allow that.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Okay, what you’re doing here is devaluing other people’s values, beliefs, perspectives and even to some extent humanity, as they are in the way of your priorities.
Now we all do something similar to some extent, i imagine, but generally most of us are aware that if we run too far with it, we’ll look really bad, selfish, cruel, etc. and lose the argument
I mean, I read your position as ‘there’s gang violence in London, so there’s no reason not to have a super hard brexit’. It’s one of the most random grab bags of nonsense i’ve ever seen, outside of a Donald Trump speech.
Imagine if my position was that ‘we shouldn’t be forced into this appalling mistake by a bunch of <insert every prejudiced stereotype about Brexit-voters>, because there is too much domestic violence and nobody is talking about that.’
Basically, you condone wife-beating, because you’re not woke and voted for Brexit.
Tbf, that is the rhetorical spirit this general election campaign is being conducted in, with two bogeyman leaders motivating the other side’s base. What a massive failure.'"
What I am saying is this - is it fair that the will of 17.4m people be thwarted because it potentially impacts a very small minority? What I am saying why is everyone so protective of the GFA yet seem oblivious to killings of young black people? Could it be that its yet another excuse not to deliver on the referendum.
In life we all have to make compromises - the police have accepted it couldn't stop the drug dealing/flow so it tries to minimise the impact of gang wars by allowing the flow for the most part but intercepting an occasional shipment makes everyone think they are doing their best.
What has wife beating got to do with Woke? What I do think is if you have a penis you are a man even if you choose to wear a wig and a dress - not a tough concept. If you were born a woman you are a woman not a sis-woman.
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| Quote: Cronus "I'd sooner have a bloke who's shagged around a bit.'"
I reckon you've got it about right with '[ia bit[/i'.
I mean, come on Flashman, look at the state of the bumbling eejit.
Oh yes, every woman's dream.
No doubt.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "What I am saying is this - is it fair that the will of 17.4m people be thwarted because it potentially impacts a very small minority? What I am saying why is everyone so protective of the GFA yet seem oblivious to killings of young black people? Could it be that its yet another excuse not to deliver on the referendum.
In life we all have to make compromises - the police have accepted it couldn't stop the drug dealing/flow so it tries to minimise the impact of gang wars by allowing the flow for the most part but intercepting an occasional shipment makes everyone think they are doing their best.
What has wife beating got to do with Woke? What I do think is if you have a penis you are a man even if you choose to wear a wig and a dress - not a tough concept. If you were born a woman you are a woman not a sis-woman.'"
We’re not oblivious and uncaring though, are we? That is just something you made up, in the same way I have decided you are unconcerned about the suffering of domestic abuse victims. The reason there is concern about the Good Friday Agreement, with reference to how Brexit is managed, is that there’s a relationship between them, in a way that there isn’t directly, that I’m aware of, in terms of drug-related violence and domestic policing approaches to the illegal drugs trade.
What has wife beating got to do, directly, with your views of transgender and cisgender people? Are we embracing absurdist non-sequiturs for the Festive season? What I do think think is that cheese is a type of meat, a tasty yellow beef.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "We’re not oblivious and uncaring though, are we? That is just something you made up, in the same way I have decided you are unconcerned about the suffering of domestic abuse victims. The reason there is concern about the Good Friday Agreement, with reference to how Brexit is managed, is that there’s a relationship between them, in a way that there isn’t directly, that I’m aware of, in terms of drug-related violence and domestic policing approaches to the illegal drugs trade.
What has wife beating got to do, directly, with your views of transgender and cisgender people? Are we embracing absurdist non-sequiturs for the Festive season? What I do think think is that cheese is a type of meat, a tasty yellow beef.'"
There are lots of interconnected threads and for every decision there are a combination of positive and negative externalities - something you are very aware of. If we decide to increase spending on the NHS that money has to come from somewhere so the negative externality is everyone poorer - is that a price worth paying? So if we want a clean break from the EU the GFA has to be compromised - is that a negative externality worth considering? You Corbyn devotees will no doubt agree that going into Iraq to removed Hussein has led to a rise in Isis was that a price worth paying. So yes we can be very uncaring when we want to be.
Wife beating is a criminal offence - transgender is nothing of the case it is an individual decision - to compare the two is absurd.
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| With both of the main parties embarking on a spend, spend, spend agenda, why on earth is Boris so desperate to offer tax cut's of any type.
Surely, those funds would be put to better use elsewhere ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "With both of the main parties embarking on a spend, spend, spend agenda, why on earth is Boris so desperate to offer tax cut's of any type.
Surely, those funds would be put to better use elsewhere ?'"
He has said he will increase personal allowance on NI - suppose Tories look boring compared to Labour who seem to be giving everything away. The polls don't seem to be shifting so this is just a consolidation excercise
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "He has said he will increase personal allowance on NI - suppose Tories look boring compared to Labour who seem to be giving everything away. The polls don't seem to be shifting so this is just a consolidation excercise'"
Fundamentally, giving tax cuts, whilst increasing borrowing and spending, just looks daft and wrong.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Fundamentally, giving tax cuts, whilst increasing borrowing and spending, just looks daft and wrong.'"
I cannot disagree but as long as increased borrowing is to support capital projects then if the economy can support increased spending on the NHS, Schools etc whilst supporting some tax incentives for the lower paid I'm all for that.
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| Johnson has now bottled it for interviews on ITV and BBC.
If he can't stand up for himself in a tv interview how is he going to stand up for our country in trade negotiations?
Probable answer is that he isn't because he can't.
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| Quote: Father Ted "Johnson has now bottled it for interviews on ITV and BBC.
If he can't stand up for himself in a tv interview how is he going to stand up for our country in trade negotiations?
Probable answer is that he isn't because he can't.'"
Indeed, hence the thread title.
Andrew Neil has tried to provoke him but, his backside dropped out a couple of weeks ago so, dont hold your breath
The other world leaders must be rubbing their hands at the prospect and he still thinks that he will negotiate a free trade deal AND in record time
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Andrew Neil has tried to provoke him but'"
Not according to his buffoon followers in the right wing rags, who believe Andrew Neil is bullying him. You couldn't make this stuff up.
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| Quote: Father Ted "Johnson has now bottled it for interviews on ITV and BBC.
If he can't stand up for himself in a tv interview how is he going to stand up for our country in trade negotiations?
Probable answer is that he isn't because he can't.'"
The Tories seem to be showing a significant lead in the polls - so the election is theirs to lose. Why would you do anything to disrupt that - Blair and Cameron would be doing the same. The less he is seen the less damage can be done.
We have seen what exposure of Corbyn, Swinson and Queen Nicola have done for their popularity - it would be madness to follow suit.
I see lemon-faced Long Bailey was once again taken to the cleaners on Today this morning over the "alleged" £6,700 savings per family - it was shown up for what it is - complete b0ll0cks - she couldn't even say approximately how many families would see the whole benefit. Why because its pure fantasy and virtually nobody we see the whole benefit.
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