Who are "the establishment" of which you and the Daily Mail speak?

For the billionth time, the reason we haven't left yet is because the ERG voted for us not to. I would definitely agree with you that they are the establishment, the absolute classic definition of it, but I imagine that's not what you meant.

I'll second that question. More sensationalist paranoid nonsense.

Thirded. It's a warped world where you look at Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg and conclude that the other side are the "establishment".

You mean unelected Judges, Lords, Bishops and a defunct opposition turning the country soft.

The majority voted, democratically, to leave. Cringebin must have splinters he has been on the fence for so long.

It's OK though, his mate Neil Coyle shows Labour for the hypocrites they are. his Tweet to Piers Morgan shows Labour in their true, vile, hate filled, jealous, spineless, cowardly colours.

"Ban Private Schools" (just not the one my little cherubs go to)

"Tax the Rich" (so the workshy get more benefits)

"Open the Borders" (let everyone in)

But we don't mention facts when it comes to a spot of Boris Bashing, do we.

GE will come, Labour will be back in the minority doldrums, blaming everyone else for everything.

You may have seen these things, but I & the majority of the population haven't, Bo-jo has a prime time gig to peddle his message.



That "Little Englander" tag really gets under your skin doesn't it?



In all these years when did those "liars" promise they would facilitate leaving the E.U. without a deal?

It must have slipped your memory but there was a deal on the table, back when the Government had a working majority, yet it failed because of the "Little Englander" Tory M.P's.





Why should I read it, I'm not some kind of anorak. All I know is that the highest court in the land, not in Europe, deemed it wrong. If they had agreed with the length of the prorogation I would have been fine with that too.




A tiny influence in your eyes maybe, but his antics are the first news item on every T.V. across the land.

You keep trotting this out as your big punchline but it's meaningless. All you're trying to do is absolve the opposition from any responsibility in enacting the result of the referendum.

They voted to hold a referendum, they voted for Article 50, they campaigned on leave manifestos, they promised to "honour and respect" the result...yet here we are. Approx 150 Labour constituencies voted to leave, yet only around 5 Labour MPs have chosen to "honour" that vote. Time after time they act and vote to hinder and delay, preferring to damage the government rather than enacting the referendum. They are a hypocritical disgrace. And you wonder why people are angry.

Yes, the ERG are as guilty as anyone of preventing the vote, but not because they want to reverse it and frankly they're only small in number. 34 Tories voted against the deal last time, versus 234 Labour and the rest of the shirkers.

Have you gone and discovered the true ideology and long-term goals of the EU yet? Care to share your findings?

I can only presume you spend no time on any media of any form.


Haha nope, call me what you like, I couldn't give a shiny sht. Many here have tried to offend or upset me, all have failed. How odd you plucked that one example from the list? Your favourite little insult, is it?




They promised to leave. Not to do everything they can to delay and reverse it.


I refer your to my answer in the post above.


I can happily dismiss anything you say on the matter then. As you were.


As are the screaming, yelling opposition MPs with hate strewn across their miserable screwed up faces, hurling their abuse and vitriol across the Commons for hour after hour. You ignore that bit, don'tcha?

Glad you agree, Labour add no value at all.

Well, I'm on here aren't I does that count?




The thing is I don't call you anything, I wouldn't lower myself with personnel insults.




Again, they didn't promise to crash out without a deal.




I'm not talking about hour after hour, just the headline news report on the flagship shows, you appear to be in the camp of, if you don't back the plan for the glorious revolution, you are fair game to be abused by the countries P.M.

Ok, seeing as you're claiming to be so blinkered and possibly naive(?), happy to help:





But "humbug" is far more offensive and the word 'surrender' is influencing people.






You're a rum one, ain'tcha.


So they should have voted for the deal. It might not be wonderful but it's better than no deal. Instead they chose to delay in the hope of reversing Brexit and damaging the government. If they don't want 'no deal' and all promised to honour the referendum, surely they would vote for a deal? Or...hang on...no surely they wouldn't be lying, would they?




You're seeing what you want to see, in other words.

I back the result of the referendum. Do you?

And if they choose to hurl abuse at the PM, they deserve everything they get. Give it but can't take it? Hypocrites? Surely not.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... ns-2636711 constituents voted leave, MP's shafted them and went remain... Duplicitous Labour....

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... ns-2636711 constituents voted leave, MP's shafted them and went remain... Duplicitous Labour....

Cool pics Bro, I even cracked a smile, but once again I've never seen Mary Nightingale start the the news with such contemptible images. Unlike Boris, who continues to insult the people trying to stop a no-deal Brexit. I shouldn't be too surprised though, you only have to look at his rap sheet to see what a repugnant individual he is.




They wanted a better deal, a deal where all sides of the house could have some input, but no, the government chose the blinkered approach. Why should the biggest decision this country has had to make in eighty years be decided by fifty percent of the M.P.'s?




I'm a bit like Boris with the Supreme Court, I abide with the decision, but I don't think it's the right one.

But again, did the referendum ballot paper say leave the E.U. without a deal, sorry that was a bit rhetorical, of course it didn't, because it was going to be the easiest deal in human history apparently.

The hypocrisy from Boris just goes on and on.
Anyone trying to prevent him having carte blanche to take us out of the EU with No deal is a "traitor" and yet, he was happy (twice) to vote against May's withdrawal bill.
2 1/2 years down the line since the referendum and our "almighty leader", still hasn't got his plans for Ireland beyond scribbled ideas on the proverbial fag packet.
We finally have our very own version of Trump, a populist right wing racist politician, who doesn't give a toss about anyone or anything apart from his own political vision.
I just wonder which laws he will break to achieve his dream of a no deal exit from the EU, which was his idea all along.

It's no wonder that Trump likes him as Boris seems to enjoy having someone's hand firmly up his backside pulling his strings.

The concept behind Brexit does become a little clearer now though, with an ever closer union with the USA being the desired position, as opposed to trading and working with our largest and closest "natural" market.

It's always interesting to try and work out just why people do certain things and whilst it wasn't obvious at the start, it's certainly becoming clear now.

God bless the United Kingdom of America - and we dont even have to change the colours on our flag.

What about the Tory MPs whose constituents voted Remain? Should they also vote against the Government? Not that constituents voted on political boundaries; that no doubt escaped you.

IF an MP is to do their job, they vote AS INSTRUCTED by the people they represent.

Another attempt at an insult, keep it going, you might say something insulting one day.

They don’t.

They do what they think is best for their constituency. You see, UK MP’s are representatives, not delegates.



The amount of pig ignorant people who believe they’re politically savvy since the referendum is quite remarkable.

So, the majority vote one way, it is down to their REPRESENTATIVE to, errr, REPRESENT that.

The amount of pig ignorant people suddenly cropping up and chucking attempted insults around is baffling,

Are you suggesting we should therefore have a people's vote on every individual issue so MPs know exactly how one-third of their populace are feeling prior to any decision in the House; rather than what they think is best?

Sorry but, he's right.
Although, in a "straight line" you would expect an MP in a leave area to vote "leave" in Parliament.
The MP will have gained their seat based on a majority in their constituency.
There will be MP's of ALL parties, who, although, elected by a majority in their constituency, (of those who bothered to vote), are still following their party mandate or perhaps the party whip and as we've seen recently, even then, they can still vote (on all issues) whichever way they choose and come the next General Election, their constituents have the chance to either vote them back in or not.

Of course, Brexit wasn't decided along party lines, with voters, in many cases going against their chosen party's preference.
Not to mention the dreaded "no deal" vs "a deal".

Although it's not the same thing, we actually have a Prime Minister, currently voted in purely by the Tory membership, a mere 92000 people.
Democracy is indeed a strange thing in this country but, remember, the protection of our democracy and ability to make our own laws, is, we were told, what Brexit was all about.

Unfortunately, the Prime Minister, voted in by just 92,000 people now believes that Parliament should be shut down and that The High Court got their judgement wrong - how very ironic.

As for MP's serving their constituency, I'm sure that the vast majority would say that this is exactly what they are doing, although not everyone seems to like it.

You'll be asking me next if I think parties should be held accountable for keeping manifesto promises.

I'm happy to agree to disagree, without insults.

Democracy has been to be of little substance or value, a sad time for the UK.

All the PM is trying to do is deliver on the 17.4m who voted to leave guarantee if the opposite had happened and we had voted to remain and the MPs were trying to take us out you would up in arms big style

This about one thing and one thing only - the inability of the likes of you to accept that the general population didn’t see things as you did and as such your perceived intellectual superiority should have adhered to because everyone who voted the other way is either a fool or a racist. Your arrogance is duly noted

The deal failed because hundreds of Labour MPs voted en-mass to reject it - if they had supported the deal as they said they would then the deal would have flown through despite the ERG

Yes thanks, I studied the EU constitution and its democratic institutions back in my university days. It's not the scary thing you read about in the Daily Mail or on Twitter or wherever this Project Fear stuff gets shared nowadays.

But, like Sal, you fall back into these simplistic tropes. Using the very phrase "the EU" as if it was some monster whose sole aim was to ruin the lives of patriotic Englishmen. One day you'll learn that "the EU" isn't a monolithic bloc, but simply the representative of 28 individual nation states who have agreed to work together to improve the lives of their citizens and preserve the peace on the continent. It's the opposite of scary, unless things or people that are different scare you as a matter of course.

I’ve got a bit of sympathy with Johnson’s position on the use of ‘surrender’, not that I agree with that characterisation. However, it seems pretty tame compared with Bevan’s famous ‘lower than vermin’ quote, for example, and I think restricting robust language of the former type is problematic. I dislike it when people try to re-brand problems as challenges or opportunities for the same reason.

I have even more sympathy with people receiving death threats, of course, but Johnson, wazzock though I think he is, isn’t the one making them. The blame is with the hate-filled idiots who are and despite his many, many faults he isn’t one of them. The best way to honour Jo Cox line was very, very clumsy, mind you.

On the ‘betrayal’ by parliament, the farce of the no to every option indicative votes was undoubtedly a failure. On the other hand, i’m not sure any option would have commanded a majority in the country either, and that is why we’re stuck. Remainers need to get over their disappointment at the Leave result, and Leavers need to get over their disappointment with the results of leaving.