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Kirkstaller - this is JC. I've taken over the medium of FA for the minute, as I'm a bit busy and can't make elevenses. (I'm overseeing some really gruesome death and dismemberment to dozens of innocent people in Kandahar). Anyway this one's quite urgent, I require you to boil your head. Immediately, there's a good chap. I know best.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Kirkstaller - this is JC. I've taken over the medium of FA for the minute, as I'm a bit busy and can't make elevenses. (I'm overseeing some really gruesome death and dismemberment to dozens of innocent people in Kandahar). Anyway this one's quite urgent, I require you to boil your head. Immediately, there's a good chap. I know best.'"
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[i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One[/i:10za56ci]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6505.jpg |
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| Quote: kirkstaller "icon_lol.gif ![]()
I realise that you're incapable of rational thought, but let's pretend for the moment that you are.
I've just seen a random stranger on an internet messageboard post that if he heard an inner voice command him to kill someone he would do so without a second thought. You realise that people have been jailed for less?
If you're not a troll, then I urge you to seek psychiatric help before you do yourself or others real harm.
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| Quote: kirkstaller "
Go and ring them now and explain the hypothetical and not to mention unlikely scenario and let's see how far we get.'"
It seems unlikely on the face of it, but we're talking about a person who claims to have actually met a person who, if he ever existed, died around 2000 years ago. It's not a great leap for a person who imagines meeting dead/fictional people to also imagine that those people are giving him instructions. |
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The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
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| Quote: Rock God X "It seems unlikely on the face of it, but we're talking about a person who claims to have actually met a person who, if he ever existed, died around 2000 years ago. It's not a great leap for a person who imagines meeting dead/fictional people to also imagine that those people are giving him instructions.'"
As old as the hills but still relevanthttp://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/6thsense.jpg" > |
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[i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
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| Quote: Rock God X "It seems unlikely on the face of it, but we're talking about a person who claims to have actually met a person who, if he ever existed, died around 2000 years ago. It's not a great leap for a person who imagines meeting dead/fictional people to also imagine that those people are giving him instructions.'"
Not to mention the rich history of psychopaths and serial killers who all believed that they were following instructions from God. It's almost a classic symptom. |
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| Quote: Kosh "Not to mention the rich history of psychopaths and serial killers who all believed that they were following instructions from God. It's almost a classic symptom.'"
Wasn't that recent massacre in Norway(?) the work of such a person? Kirkstaller would probably say he was within his rights. |
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| Quote: Rock God X "Wasn't that recent massacre in Norway(?) the work of such a person?'"
No it wasn't. |
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| Quote: Kosh "I realise that you're incapable of rational thought, but let's pretend for the moment that you are.
I've just seen a random stranger on an internet messageboard post that if he heard an inner voice command him to kill someone he would do so without a second thought. You realise that people have been jailed for less?'"
Blimey.
Who has been jailed for saying they would commit a crime if something impossible happened? And by that, I mean why would God ask me to kill someone? God would not do that, no way, he loves us all. So basically, what I said was the equivalent of saying I'd rape someone if the sun turned luminous pink tomorrow morning.
Would that be worthy of prison?
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| Quote: Rock God X "Wasn't that recent massacre in Norway(?) the work of such a person? Kirkstaller would probably say he was within his rights.'"
No he wouldn't.
The essence of Kirkstaller's belief is that he and only he is the Chosen One who knows the true word as relayed to Him Personally by the son of god. This egocentricity is a hallmark characteristic of the psychopath.
Breivik and others may have similar psychoses (they certainly share his narcissism), but in Kirkstaller's delusional mind they (and their crimes) are an irrelevance. |
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| Quote: Mintball "I grew up in a pretty fundamentalist evangelical household. Moving around as much as we did, and with a minister as a father, I never quite got into the relationships with peers that might have hauled me out of it earlier. Church and Sunday school, with Sunshine Corner on a Monday evening; holidays to very religious friends. All sorts of stuff (one bit of the family were Plymouth Brethren).
In my early teens, my parents took me (and my sister) to a series of evangelical crusade meetings over a two-week period (my father was involved in the organisation). In the intensely emotional atmosphere, what my parents wanted to happen didin use[/i expanded massively. It is possibly also no coincidence that, in the years since, I've read more literary fiction than in the entire time since school, and read more non-fiction than in my entire life to that point.
I was angry as all hell for a few years, in particular, feeling – apart from anything else – that my parents had contrived to deny me the chance to have a proper youth (their religiosity was also tied up with great strictness about all manner of thing, including how a 'young lady' was supposed to behave – and, for my mother particularly, how the daughter of a minister was supposed to behave; 'set an example' was, in essence, the answer to that one).
The anger has lifted. As have other things – guilt, believe it or not, at just relaxing. I used to have this deep-seated feeling that, if you went on holiday, you couldn't just stop. You had to Do Things. There's also a residual, secularised version of the religious guilt sometimes
Thank you for self-disclosing with such honesty.
Without being too pyschy, I can see where your projections of anger comes from now.
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"You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| Quote: Rock God X "Wasn't that recent massacre in Norway(?) the work of such a person? Kirkstaller would probably say he was within his rights.'"
I haven't seen anything about Brevik (sp?) being motivated by some god.
I've already mentioned 9/11, though – those people were. |
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| Quote: Kosh "Not to mention the rich history of psychopaths and serial killers who all believed that they were following instructions from God. It's almost a classic symptom.'"
The Yorkshire Ripper had god talking to him while he was digging graves, I seem to recall  |
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| Quote: kirkstaller "And by that, I mean why would God ask me to kill someone?'"
Yeah, I mean, why get you to do it when he could just give them cancer, starve them to death or bury them under a mudslide? |
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| Quote: Mintball "I haven't seen anything about Brevik (sp?) being motivated by some god.
I've already mentioned 9/11, though – those people were.'"
I haven't read much on the case, it was just something I thought I'd heard. Either way, as you and Kosh point out, plenty of others have acted under the belief that they were doing God's work. Would Kirkstaller think that they were right to carry out such orders, or does he, as Stinkwort suggests, believe that he is the only person who can truly speak directly to God? |
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