As has been said, how can you deny statehood to a born & bred British citizen?

Where would you ship a suspected terrorist back to? It's a fair bet that any jihadists won't be flying in from Iraq or Syria and would we really simply want to turn them back to carry on their "war on the West"? Unlike the way we buggered around with Hamza and Quatada, any such listed people should be put before a court ASAP.

As an aside, rlwhat the would-be jihadist is reading before he goes to warrl

So to be British you just need to have born and raised here - Surely if u rail against the very fabric of British society, then that qualification becomes invalid??... .... It's up there with supposed Catholics, who visit church once every blue moon, live with partners outside of marriage, and indulge in sex using contraceptives - They are not Catholics in the same way these jihadists are not British.

There are rules you should have to follow to be a member of any community, whether it be British, Catholic, a Union, etc - One of the rules of being British should be that you don't nob off to fight some holy war, threatening to wage terror on the very things that you will have learnt during your British upbringing, such as respect for others and freedom of speech and thought for everybody.

The irony is, I am not normally one for patriotic British nonsense, in a UKIP, Nigel Farage manner, however, the idea that these scum can be labelled something that millions have fought for the right to be called, is an absolute travesty... Call them terrorists, freedom fighters, or whatever, just don't call them British.

Nope. If you're born here you're British regardless of what you do. There should never ever be any rules or qualification on citizenship for people born here.

That could work in a totalitarian state and if you'd be happy to live in that, you're welcome to it. I really shouldn't but I will invoke Pastor Martin Niemoller here: "first they came for....." You know the rest

Children are not born Catholic or of any other religion, they are introduced or indoctrinated into it.

Children are born, with very few exceptions, into a nationality or statehood. That position may be renounced in later years but the numbers who are born "stateless" are infinitessimily small.

I asked previously why we do not lump British Jews who choose to undertake Israeli National Service (although they have no legal obligation to do so), in the same group as the jihadists. Perhaps you could offer a rational explanation?

What will happen here is that the state will gain ever more control over our lives, in the name of "National Security". This is despite the fact that far more women are killed by their partners, or gays killed by homophobes, than ordinary UK citizens killed by terrorists. As catastrophic as the London bombings were, more people have been killed by other means, than terrorism. Yet we see no real drive to introduce new laws and restrictions on personal liberties to combat this. If we ploughed the same amount of money into developing new anti-biotics as we do anti-terrorism, we'd see far fewer people dying from illnesses than would ever die from terrorism.

Get some fooking perspective and stop viewing illegal war-porn websites

I wonder, what is the legal status of children who have been born in the UK to parents who are detained as "refugees" or "illegal immigrants"?

How to stop IS?

Well for a start I'd stop sending arms to the Syrian terrorists fighting the Assad regime.

Alternatively you could stop removing strong men/ dictators etc from their positions where they actuallly oppose the jihadists ie Assad, Gadaffi, Saddam Hussein all of whom were the enemies of the jihadists.

As opposed to those lovely nice saudis and Quataris who all actively support the jihadists

Then again if you were nasty to those saudi sheiks who would keep the property boom in London going ( particularly as we are ing off the Russian oligarchs )

To be honest, having watched some IS atrocities on youtube, though not the murder of James Foley, I am quite happy for the Yanks to bomb IS until they can't find anything bigger than a tooth or fingernail.

have you watched any videos of the American atrocities in Vietnam/Japan/Iraq?

No doubt if we'd had social media in the times of the crusades there would be plenty to see

But it still doesnt make it ok to murder innocent communities

I bet those videos didn't stay up for long though on YouTube.

Coddy, Israeli s/Jews are not murdering scum ergo they can never be lumped in the same category as those murdering jihadist/IS/Hamas etc scum bags

HTH

Also just because you are born in a certain country doesnt make you a national of that country.
When we were stationed in Singapore in the mid 60s friends of the family had a baby girl born over there in Changi. she was British not Singaporean.
Same goes for all forces kids born abroad.They are Brits.

Nobody argued it does.



To be more accurate, they can be registered as Brits. And would not be eligible to be Singaporean anyway, unless one parent was. Most countries have different categories, such as nationality by birth, and, in this case, nationality by descent.

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I have seen some footage of Viet Nam though obviously, due to camera phones not being invented at the time, there is not as much about and surely most people know about My Lai now. The mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners is well documented however thanks to modern technology.

Atrocities occur in all wars and though some people on here won't want to hear it some of them were also perpetrated by British troops e.g. during the Mau Mau Rebellion.

I would like to think that instances of allied troops committing such acts are rare, but I doubt it.

The difference is that the IS routinely execute prisoner and civilians as a matter of course to instil fear in the locals. Beheadings are commonplace as are crucifictions (the latter mercifully post shooting). In one instance captured Iraqi soldiers were beheaded and their severed heads put on spikes lining the roads (footage of all this on youtube). This is going back to the dark ages and if this persists I am sure genocide of the Shia muslims in IS controlled areas will ensue.

The Israelis are also comitting war crimes. I see no distinction between the IDF and IS. Hamas are also violating human rights and committing was crimes e.g. the recent execution of civilians for allegedly collaborating with the Israelis.

I think that a political solution can be sought about Gaza, but sadly don't see this being the case with the IS and that the only solution to avoid mass murder of innocent civillians is the military option.

and you recall what we did to Dick Turpin, Guido Fawkes?

we're no better, and should stop claiming to be.

Christianity is nor more or less valid than Islam, where were we in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge were doing exactly what IS are?

not our fight, leave them to it.