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Quote: FlexWheeler "I don't see what the the big deal is. No ones gonna start any world wars. Nuclear arms prevent that. You have nukes, so do we, if we start using them we'll destroy each other.

I think we'll see trump transition now into something more ''presidential''. I think he's very clever and took on the persona he did because he knew there were voters he could tap into who were sick of politicians. From what I've seen and read trump voting Americans seemed to understand this. One guy interviewed had never voted before...in his life. He said he would probably get down to vote for trump, his reason? He needed to put food on the table. He needed to feed his family and he believed trump would give a better chance of an improvement in his circumstances than Clinton.

Anyway, some are speculating trump winning over clinton will work out better for us in light of brexit, every cloud eh?'"


There is little doubt that he will become "more presidential", after all, after the way that he behaved during the campaign, it would be impossible to be less so.
However, that just doesn't excuse some of the stuff that he said, which, was "over the line", especially for a person wanting the highest political position in the world.
He wasn't a bloke down the pub, who had had a bit to drink, he was, campaigning for the top job.
For all of our sake's, we have to hope that those around him will exert some control and act as the voice of reason.
As for improving "our" position after Brexit, we still have to see whether our own parliament goes through with it.
As the months have passed since the referendum, fewer and fewer MP's seem willing to go through with it.

The political landscape is changing and not necessarily for the better, the days of politicians having ideals and principles is long gone, which is a crying shame.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of the FBI's intervention.
2 weeks to go to polling day, Clinton with a 7 point lead in the polls and they go public on the e mail investigation, which has still come to nothing.
What was their motivation and why make such a noise in public, so close to polling day'"


Why would anything more be made of it? We all what happened. We all know HC isn't going to jail and we know every threat won't happen. In political contests we can now say what we want, there's no come back.

Draintheswamp = increase the swamp, look what's he's doing right now!

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Quote: Sal Paradise "What happened 2/3 weeks before polling - all this stuff about Trump and the women - why didn't this come out earlier?

Because nobody thought he had a chance - soon as it became evident he did what happened?'"


Earlier? They brought it out to early, trump timed the fbi email dump to perfection.

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Quote: bren2k "

The world is proving in 2016 that democracy is not always a good thing; a benevolent dictatorship would probably be a better arrangement.'"


I'll go for that but only if I'm allowed to be Emperor.

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Quote: King Street Cat "The lunatic fringe of the liberal left won't know where to direct their outrage with that one.'"


Na mate, they already tarred the white working class as the villains, just ask Penny Toynbee. It the 'whitelash' apparently. d040.gif

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... not-pander
Quote: King Street Cat "The lunatic fringe of the liberal left won't know where to direct their outrage with that one.'"


Na mate, they already tarred the white working class as the villains, just ask Penny Toynbee. It the 'whitelash' apparently. d040.gif

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... not-pander


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Quote: Sheldon "Earlier? They brought it out to early, trump timed the fbi email dump to perfection.'"


Those podesta emails were staggering. Especially the ones with code words such as "hot dog". How on earth Hilary Clinton wasn't investigated further is beyond me. Mind you, people used to hark on about pedophiles within the BBC for years before it all came to light only to be shot down
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Quote: LeighGionaire "Na mate, they already tarred the white working class as the villains, just ask Penny Toynbee. It the 'whitelash' apparently.
Take anything Polly says with a pinch of salt, she's the archetypal champagne socialist. What she fails to acknowledge, either by design or righteous ignorance, is that the "right on" social causes she supports long ago got hijacked by commercially driven, rent seeking, policy entrepreneurs looking to develop revenue streams out of narratives of perpetual grievance and entitlement. Polly's fellow travellers have no interest in trying to resolve the issues they espouse, if any of their causes actually do improve they simply find an innovative new interpretation to justify ongoing rent seeking. The"whitewash" is no such thing, people have just wised up that even the self-proclaimed "good guys" are on the gravy train.

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Quote: Kelvin's Ferret "Take anything Polly says with a pinch of salt, she's the archetypal champagne socialist. What she fails to acknowledge, either by design or righteous ignorance, is that the "right on" social causes she supports long ago got hijacked by commercially driven, rent seeking, policy entrepreneurs looking to develop revenue streams out of narratives of perpetual grievance and entitlement. Polly's fellow travellers have no interest in trying to resolve the issues they espouse, if any of their causes actually do improve they simply find an innovative new interpretation to justify ongoing rent seeking. The"whitewash" is no such thing, people have just wised up that even the self-proclaimed "good guys" are on the gravy train.'"


That's capitalism for you.
The theory about having ambition making some money is ok but, there has to be some social conscience that comes with it or, we wnd up with people being exploited by the greedy and needy.

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The biggest surprise in all this is that we haven't got a massively overused buzzword for the Trump supporting collective. Trumpers? Trumpets? Trumpeteers? Trumpions? Trumpxiteers?

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In another move towards healing some of the divides within the US, Trump appoints Stephen Bannon, a white supremacist as his new chief strategist.
It may not just be the Muslims and Mexicans that have to worry ?

There appear to be some dark times ahead as more and more countries lurch to the right to solve their political and economic problems.

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Well well well, what a year it has been politically. Brexit was good enough but then this. The liberal elite has taken one helluva kicking lately and it is majestic.

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Quote: Ajw71 "Well well well, what a year it has been politically. Brexit was good enough but then this. The liberal elite has taken one helluva kicking lately and it is majestic.'"

Was Dachau one of favourites and what it was about.
You really don't like people who think do you.

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The interesting thing about Trump and Brexit is that they show just how many votes a wealthy individual can effectively buy (Trump himself and Banks).

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Quote: wrencat1873 "The theory about having ambition making some money is ok but, there has to be some social conscience that comes with it'"


People were sold the dream of aspiration, they were told ''this will make you happy'', the cynical among us just saw it as way of getting us to part with our money for crap we can live without, the ones who bought into it are literally chasing a dream, they want it all and they want it now and next month they want a shinier one because the one they have isn't quite shiny enough, and so on and so on. I was at a dinner table only last week listening to the 'hardship' tale of someone who'd taken their big flash car in for a repair after crashing it and was given a little hatchback as a courtesy car. ''It's a long time since I've had to make do with something like that'' they proudly spouted as if the little hatchback was beneath their new found superiority. My wife glanced over at me with one of those 'did that actually come out of her mouth?' looks, I just bit my tongue!

I've got no problem with having ambition or wanting to better yourself, we're all trying to do it in some way or another, but like you said, there has to be an amount of social conscience. Aspiration is breeding a self-centred need for shinier ones, bigger ones, brighter ones, faster ones, more powerful ones, and in the age of social media a need to shamelessly show it off. Many would do well to remember that some people haven't even got one at all.

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Quote: King Street Cat "People were sold the dream of aspiration, they were told ''this will make you happy'', the cynical among us just saw it as way of getting us to part with our money for crap we can live without, the ones who bought into it are literally chasing a dream, they want it all and they want it now and next month they want a shinier one because the one they have isn't quite shiny enough, and so on and so on. I was at a dinner table only last week listening to the 'hardship' tale of someone who'd taken their big flash car in for a repair after crashing it and was given a little hatchback as a courtesy car. ''It's a long time since I've had to make do with something like that'' they proudly spouted as if the little hatchback was beneath their new found superiority. My wife glanced over at me with one of those 'did that actually come out of her mouth?' looks, I just bit my tongue!

I've got no problem with having ambition or wanting to better yourself, we're all trying to do it in some way or another, but like you said, there has to be an amount of social conscience. Aspiration is breeding a self-centred need for shinier ones, bigger ones, brighter ones, faster ones, more powerful ones, and in the age of social media a need to shamelessly show it off. Many would do well to remember that some people haven't even got one at all.'"


The demand to consume, consume, consume is burning the planets resources ever more quickly and as the 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians become more aspirational, this demand will accelerate.
The governments of the developed world keep patting themselves on the back for reducing their own carbon emissions, when, the reality is that, they have passed these emissions on to China and India.
Consumption will kill all of us eventually, either by eating and drinking ourselves into an early grave or, bleeding the planet dry.

Back on subject, Trump will look after no. 1.
Himself and his family first, then his inner circle, followed by white Americans and maybe some others later on.
He seems to have no concern for anything too far outside his own back yard.

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