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| Quote ="bren2k"
On that matter - I've yet to speak to a Leaver who could reasonably articulate which EU laws have negatively impacted them; can you?'"
Best of luck getting an answer to that one. Maybe he'll mention bananas if he's not found out it's not true yet.
The thing is these Brexiteers always bang on about stuff being "imposed by Brussels" as if the EU is one big blob who all think the same way and there is total lack of any British input into the key decisions. All untrue, of course, but nothing will be allowed to get in the way of this agenda, they're all in way too deep.
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| Quote ="IR80"Wasn't a pre arranged press conference, but don't let facts worry you. I am sure the mighty Luxemboug would welcome you with open arms.'"
Of course it was pre-arranged. Do you think the stage, cameras, props and audience appeared from thin air?
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| Quote ="IR80"Wasn't a pre arranged press conference, but don't let facts worry you.'"
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
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| Quote ="IR80"Wasn't a pre arranged press conference, but don't let facts worry you. I am sure the mighty Luxemboug would welcome you with open arms.'"
Are you saying that those nasty EU politicians staged the event to make "chicken Johnson" look bad ?
I think he managed that all by himself.
Yet again he reverts to type, a few fancy one liners but no actual depth or substance.
He says "we are making great progress" but, EVERYONE else seems to be saying that "nothing has changed"
The right wing of the Tory Party want's "no deal" anyway so, he's probably not bothered.
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Are you saying that those nasty EU politicians staged the event to make "chicken Johnson" look bad ?
I think he managed that all by himself.
Yet again he reverts to type, a few fancy one liners but no actual depth or substance.
He says "we are making great progress" but, EVERYONE else seems to be saying that "nothing has changed"'"
They moved it next to a protest. The LuxembougLoon had an agenda.
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| Quote ="IR80"They moved it next to a protest. The LuxembougLoon had an agenda.'"
So it was arranged then? Luxembourg is a great country my racist friend, with one of the highest standards of living in the world. It also lacks the privileged class with its ignorant serfs doing its fobbing.
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| Quote ="tigertot"So it was arranged then? Luxembourg is a great country my racist friend, with one of the highest standards of living in the world. It also lacks the privileged class with its ignorant serfs doing its fobbing.'"
Where does this assertion I am racist come from?
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| It was quite obvious a set up, if you go on various news outlets you can hear the noise ,it was deafening. It would have been impossible to conduct a press conference under those circumstances. Even the bbc agreed with that. Johnson asked to move the meeting indoors, was refused so had no other option but to walk away from the mob. Still it gave the Luxembourg politician his spot in the limelight. Never heard of him before ,probably never hear from him again. Whatever anyone thinks of Johnson as prime minister of this country ,he deserved treating with respect. No visiting politician coming to this country would be treated in such a shabby fashion. Still it’s no surprise at the resentment from Luxembourg they are the richest country in Europe, thanks to EU money. Large sections of the press are crowing over Johnson’s humiliation, I think the vast majority of the British public might have a different view.
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| Quote ="tigertot"So it was arranged then? Luxembourg is a great country my racist friend, with one of the highest standards of living in the world. It also lacks the privileged class with its ignorant serfs doing its fobbing.'"
Good old Luxembourg, the tax avoidance capital of Europe.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Good old Luxembourg, the tax avoidance capital of Europe.'"
Not like the UK at all then ??
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Good old Luxembourg, the tax avoidance capital of Europe.'"
What's your problem with that?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Not like the UK at all then ??'"
I think you will find the discussion is about Luxemburg. Not the uk.
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| Quote ="Backwardsman"Whatever anyone thinks of Johnson as prime minister of this country ,he deserved treating with respect. '"
Why? He is a serial liar who physically & mentally abuses women.
Quote ="Backwardsman"Still it’s no surprise at the resentment from Luxembourg they are the richest country in Europe, thanks to EU money.'"
So why would Luxembourg resent UK commiting suicide? You don't think they are rich also because they are at the heart of the EU trading with the biggest trading block in the world, part of Benelux, & have hugely diversified from their original coal & steel industrial base? Half of Luxembourg residents are not Luxembourgers; they don't have the nasty racist, xenophobia of our cold, wet island; they all speak several languages. Beautiful place.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Why? He is a serial liar who physically & mentally abuses women.
So why would Luxembourg resent UK commiting suicide? You don't think they are rich also because they are at the heart of the EU trading with the biggest trading block in the world, part of Benelux, & have hugely diversified from their original coal & steel industrial base? Half of Luxembourg residents are not Luxembourgers; they don't have the nasty racist, xenophobia of our cold, wet island; they all speak several languages. Beautiful place.'"
As usual when ever you see a post not to your liking ,you resort to your usual outpouring of vitriol. I don’t doubt for one moment Johnson is a liar. Most politicians are especially Corbyn, my point was he was treated disrespectfully. I would have expressed the same opinion if Corbyn had suffered the same fate. You obviously have a hatred of this country, having lived in various countries around the world I may have a different aspect to you. If I felt as bitter as you I would be out of the country pretty damn quick. Suggest west coast of Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, Panama.
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The discussion is surely about Luxembourg treatment of Boris and how this relates to Brexit ??
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Show me all the many examples.
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If I felt as bitter as you I would be out of the country pretty damn quick. Suggest west coast of Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, Panama.'"
The usual response of the right wing. I would have put my mortgage on you suggesting that. Hopefully we'll be off soon. Have you thought of the southern states of the USofA? You'd be at home there.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Show me all the many examples.
The usual response of the right wing. I would have put my mortgage on you suggesting that. Hopefully we'll be off soon. Have you thought of the southern states of the USofA? You'd be at home there.'"
Many examples? Biggest one of all ,Blair weapons of mass destruction . Brown I will abolish boom and bust. Corbyn, I absolutely never met the IRA, friends of Middle East terror groups not me I just happened to be sharing a platform with them. Mandelson, creativity use of filling in mortgage application form. Southern states of USA, wonderful,I have traveled extensively in the south, Nashville is superb, especially the country and western bars . New Orleans the French quarter for jazz. Keep away from bourbon street, that’s awful . I admire your naivety in the hope that Corbyn and the rest of his cohorts can change your life. I gave up on all political parties years ago. I look upon all parties and witness a sea of mediocrity and incompetence. The majority of them wouldn’t gain employment outside politics.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Many examples? Biggest one of all ,Blair weapons of mass destruction . Brown I will abolish boom and bust. Corbyn, I absolutely never met the IRA, friends of Middle East terror groups not me I just happened to be sharing a platform with them. Mandelson, creativity use of filling in mortgage application form. '"
I asked you about the many examples of Corbyn lying. You have produced no evidence of him meeting the IRA. It is well-documented he met Sinn Fein & Adams in particular. You might be confusing him with the Thatcher Government who regularly met the IRA.
You seem to be confusing me with a Labour voter/member. I am generally neither.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I asked you about the many examples of Corbyn lying. You have produced no evidence of him meeting the IRA. It is well-documented he met Sinn Fein & Adams in particular. You might be confusing him with the Thatcher Government who regularly met the IRA.
You seem to be confusing me with a Labour voter/member. I am generally neither.'"
I don’t presume to guess which party you support or even vote for. My original comment was agreeing with you that Johnson was guilty of lying. I merely asked in the interest of balance and fairness you highlighted Corbyns lies. You however constantly verbally abuse anybody who come on here with a view different to yours. Sadly it’s the usual platitudes, racist, xenophobia, gammon etc etc. I wasn’t being flippant regarding you leaving the country, you seem to have a palpable hatred of this country and sections of it. There must be some country that may make you happy. Some of the best times if my life with my family was the west coast of Ireland, in particular west cork.wonderful people. It would do you the world of good out in cork might get rid of that bile and hatred in your system. Hopefully.
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| Christ have we inadvertently plugged this thread into a live feed from Paul Staines? That post about Luxembourg was a classic. Admits total ignorance of who their leader is then reels off a series of, let's be polite, incorrect assertions.
The Brexiteers on this thread aren't doing much to change that apparently unfair view that they are one tackle short of a full set.
Can any of you please discuss stuff rationally without injecting bile about foreigners or questioning other posters patriotism? it really can't be that hard can it.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Boris "chicken" Johnson failed to show for his own press conference in Luxembourg, hilarious.'"
To be fair if Jean Claude Juncker had visited Downing St and they set up a press conference just 10 metres from a jeering and booing anti-EU mob, I'd take great satisfaction in name-calling when he inevitably chose not to participate in said press conference. That's if Juncker was sober enough to speak in the first place.
Xavier Bettel's belittling attitude personified everything about the sneering arrogance of the EU. They just can't help themselves - I've said it many times on here, the attitude and words of EU leaders went a long way to securing my Leave vote.
They could have moved the press conference or moved the mob, but instead - at a crucial time in UK-EU relations - they deliberately chose to ambush Johnson: if he speaks he gets shouted down by the mob, which has a terrible impact on TV channels around the world. If he walks away they gleefully deride him. He had no choice but to opt for the lesser of two bad options. All these events are planned to the nth degree with backup plans for various eventualities but oh no, they allowed the PM to walk into a no-win situation despite a request to move the press conference.
But yep, enjoy the moment, a few cheap points for you lapdog Europhiles, that actually achieve nothing more than to demonstrate the arrogance of the EU and strengthen the resolve of the Leave movement. You think Johnson is more or less inclined to play nicely right now? 
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| Quote ="tigertot"Why? He is a serial liar who physically & mentally abuses women.
So why would Luxembourg resent UK commiting suicide? You don't think they are rich also because they are at the heart of the EU trading with the biggest trading block in the world, part of Benelux, & have hugely diversified from their original coal & steel industrial base? [uHalf of Luxembourg residents are not Luxembourgers; they don't have the nasty racist, xenophobia of our cold, wet island; they all speak several languages. Beautiful place[/u.'"
Yeah, but have they won 1 world cup and 2 world wars?
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| Quote ="Cronus"To be fair if Jean Claude Juncker had visited Downing St and they set up a press conference just 10 metres from a jeering and booing anti-EU mob, I'd take great satisfaction in name-calling when he inevitably chose not to participate in said press conference. That's if Juncker was sober enough to speak in the first place.
Xavier Bettel's belittling attitude personified everything about the sneering arrogance of the EU. They just can't help themselves - I've said it many times on here, the attitude and words of EU leaders went a long way to securing my Leave vote.
They could have moved the press conference or moved the mob, but instead - at a crucial time in UK-EU relations - they deliberately chose to ambush Johnson: if he speaks he gets shouted down by the mob, which has a terrible impact on TV channels around the world. If he walks away they gleefully deride him. He had no choice but to opt for the lesser of two bad options. All these events are planned to the nth degree with backup plans for various eventualities but oh no, they allowed the PM to walk into a no-win situation despite a request to move the press conference.
But yep, enjoy the moment, a few cheap points for you lapdog Europhiles, that actually achieve nothing more than to demonstrate the arrogance of the EU and strengthen the resolve of the Leave movement. You think Johnson is more or less inclined to play nicely right now?
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Do you think that "playing nicely" was ever on the agenda, especially under Boris ??
They guy has no intention of getting a deal and never did have, both sides are just laying the ground for the post Brexit "no deal" blame game.
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| Quote ="Cronus"To be fair if Jean Claude Juncker had visited Downing St and they set up a press conference just 10 metres from a jeering and booing anti-EU mob, I'd take great satisfaction in name-calling when he inevitably chose not to participate in said press conference. That's if Juncker was sober enough to speak in the first place.
Xavier Bettel's belittling attitude personified everything about the sneering arrogance of the EU. They just can't help themselves - I've said it many times on here, the attitude and words of EU leaders went a long way to securing my Leave vote.
They could have moved the press conference or moved the mob, but instead - at a crucial time in UK-EU relations - they deliberately chose to ambush Johnson: if he speaks he gets shouted down by the mob, which has a terrible impact on TV channels around the world. If he walks away they gleefully deride him. He had no choice but to opt for the lesser of two bad options. All these events are planned to the nth degree with backup plans for various eventualities but oh no, they allowed the PM to walk into a no-win situation despite a request to move the press conference.
But yep, enjoy the moment, a few cheap points for you lapdog Europhiles, that actually achieve nothing more than to demonstrate the arrogance of the EU and strengthen the resolve of the Leave movement. You think Johnson is more or less inclined to play nicely right now?
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Brexiteers really are the world's biggest snowflakes.
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| So Labours "new" policy is to let the people decide ??
No "leadership" from Corbyn, who remains super glued to the fence.
Their share of the vote could disappear into the ether as many of the electorate will be voting for a party that is "in" or "out".
If the Tories and Brexit party make any kind of election pact, something the Tories have said they wont do, Labour will be obliterated.
In trying not to alienate anyone, Labour are alienating everyone.
Of course they dont wat to be seen going against the referendum result, when they have said for 3 years that they want to honour the vote but, having been demoted to 4th place in the recent EU elections, they could be in serious danger of losing further ground.
Corbyn had to pick a side and commit to it, instead, despite their "clear" policy, they have carried on, trying to hedge their bets.
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