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Quote: cod'ead "£45m is a "trivial amount"? And that loan could've run for years and years. Brown didn't "need" to pay it off, he thought it prudent to do so, something no tory had managed. There is also the consideration that some UK banks were thought to be exposed to problems attached to a high gold price

Whatever anyone's thoughts on his selling of gold, the "cost" to the UK was still less than that of Black Wednesday'"


Utterly trivial in the context of current debt!!

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Quote: Dally "Utterly trivial in the context of current debt!!'"


Agreed but we had chances to finally shake off that yoke in previous years and dodged them

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Quote: Dally "Ripping off via corporation tax? I remember when all companies, however small, paid 52% and now its 20%. People now want to leave money in companies because the tax rate is so low compared with taking it out. So, if 20% is a rip off I assume Standee has / will never use public transport, the NHS, the education system, rely on the police or emergency services in his hour of need, rely on the intelligence services or armed forces to keep him safe, expect any state pension in future, etc, etc.'"


Standee belives in a "small state".

So small that he has convinced himself (although there are one or two doubters), that his parents fully-funded not only his birth but ALL of his education and welfare needs up to the point where he can fund all of that himself.

I know that he enjoys a spot of skiing, I only hope he doesn't have an accident in a country such as France, then he'll find out what 3rd world healthcare is all about.

He also reckoned that this bill was false because it was in $s, despite the fact that it is the usual currency in the US and also the fact that the US tends not to have a "free at point of need" medical system

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Quote: cod'ead "Standee belives in a "small state".

So small that he has convinced himself (although there are one or two doubters), that his parents fully-funded not only his birth but ALL of his education and welfare needs up to the point where he can fund all of that himself.

I know that he enjoys a spot of skiing, I only hope he doesn't have an accident in a country such as France, then he'll find out what 3rd world healthcare is all about.

He also reckoned that this bill was false because it was in $s, despite the fact that it is the usual currency in the US and also the fact that the US tends not to have a "free at point of need" medical system



That bill looks about right. My cousin's last baby born cost her personally about $7,000. Her insurance from General Motors paid the difference of about $40k. She explained to me, everything from a meal to a plaster was billed.

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Quote: cod'ead "Yes because Gordon Brown single-handedly caused the worldwide financial meltdown in 2008.

There'll be far fewer people "shafted" by a Labour government than there will be by a tory one'"


Far more people get shafted under Labour - their tax and spend affects us all, sadly.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Far more people get shafted under Labour - their tax and spend affects us all, sadly.'"


Yes, it's so terrible that they fritter away money on things like education, healthcare and policing

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Quote: cod'ead "Yes, it's so terrible that they fritter away money on things like education, healthcare and policing'"


What is terrible is the amount of waste in the public sector - so you need to increase spending disproportionately to get any kind of positive outcomes.

Spending on public services is an easy way to get things moving - unfortunately it only ever has very short term benefits as the last Labour government realised.

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Quote: cod'ead "Yes, it's so terrible that they fritter away money on things like education, healthcare and policing'"


What is terrible is the amount of waste in the public sector - so you need to increase spending disproportionately to get any kind of positive outcomes.

Spending on public services is an easy way to get things moving - unfortunately it only ever has very short term benefits as the last Labour government realised.

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Today should be fun, there are some real gems lined of to speak

Theresa May & Chris Grayling impersonating the Krankies tearing up the Human Rights Bill

And to top it all off tomorrow, Camoron will be trying to out-UKIP, UKIP

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Tax Credits will be frozen for 2 years from 2016 under a re-elected Tory government. I know i'm a dirty, filthy scrounger for claiming them, but if my employer, and most other people's employers paid them a suitable wage, i wouldn't need them. Cost of living will have further increased by then, and my average payrise per year in my 8 years with my current employer is around 7p, so... struggles ahead.

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Quote: 100% Wire "Tax Credits will be frozen for 2 years from 2016 under a re-elected Tory government. I know i'm a dirty, filthy scrounger for claiming them, but if my employer, and most other people's employers paid them a suitable wage, i wouldn't need them. Cost of living will have further increased by then, and my average payrise per year in my 8 years with my current employer is around 7p, so... struggles ahead.'"


Gidiot need to find £25bn further savings, who better to fund them than the already impoverished?

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Quote: cod'ead "Standee believes in a "small state".'"


I believe in a appropriately sized and funded state, where those in [igenuine[/i need get the assistance they [igenuinely[/i require.

Quote: cod'ead "So small that he has convinced himself (although there are one or two doubters), that his parents fully-funded not only his birth but ALL of his education and welfare needs'"


You have no idea of the circumstance of any of those things.

Quote: cod'ead "up to the point where he can fund all of that himself.'"


as it stands, I couldn't, not to a standard I'd find acceptable, hence I haven't been irresponsible and had kids like shelling peas, unfortunately some of the rest of the population just make selfish decisions and expect people to pick up the tab for them. "well, they're rich, innit, they can pay for me to sit on benefits street"

Quote: cod'ead "I know that he enjoys a spot of skiing, I only hope he doesn't have an accident in a country such as France, then he'll find out what 3rd world healthcare is all about.'"
I'll assume you're not wishing misfortune upon me, not you usual style. And yes, I do Ski, and I also have the relevant insurance to cover me in the event of an accident.

Quote: cod'ead "He also reckoned that this bill was false because it was in $s, despite the fact that it is the usual currency in the US and also the fact that the US tends not to have a "free at point of need" medical system]'"
And, as I said above, most Americans have the adequate level of insurance in place PRIOR to making a decision to have children.

We have different opinions, as has been proven over many years, and, with a fair wind for us both, will last many more years. I simply cannot see how [iconstantly[/i bemoaning people wealth, and yet expecting them to underpin an overly generous welfare system is logical.

Cameron has, and earns, money some[/i people who genuinely cannot work, but not as many as those who are [iclaiming[/i they cannot work.

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Quote: Hull White Star "That bill looks about right. My cousin's last baby born cost her personally about $7,000. Her insurance from General Motors paid the difference of about $40k. She explained to me, everything from a meal to a plaster was billed.'"

as it should be, the State didn't get her pregnant!?

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Quote: Standee "as it should be, the State didn't get her pregnant!?'"


And you wonder why you get abuse, you bring it all on yourself.

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Irony, a man who got everything he has by inheriting it seeks to stop others getting something for nothing...

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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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