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We ain't gonna talk about Judy (sorry Brexit), I've had more important things to think about, but Judy probably means nothing to the majority of people reading this.

Why has it gone so quiet on here, has nothing happened recently?

I could list quite a few things, does no-one care?

The country's heading for choppy waters for sure, but one of my main concerns is, the imbeciles in power are arguing amongst themselves re: Brexit.

Yet more bad stuff keeps happening, has everyone lost their will for change?

Brexit won't happen - the Tories are making a total fudge of the whole exercise, lots of information about exactly what it will mean is finally starting to permeate past the firewall of the MSM, and public opinion is shifting; the Lords will kick it down the road for long enough that the fatally wounded Mrs May won't see it through, and we'll end up with a referendum on the actual deal - which will be rejected. Then we'll spend the next few years trying to repair our damaged reputation on the world stage, with JC as the PM - which he kind of is already, in all but name.

In the pub early this morning.

Apart from the Lib Dems and they dont really count in the grand scheme of things, the 2 main political parties are split within themselves and May, in particular, especially with here lack of majority, cant risk upsetting any of her party, leaving us all in limbo.
The EU27 are more than happy to play a long, waiting game, as they stand to lose significant income if/when we are out and the will just keep stonewalling the UK until it's too late to agree a deal.
The whole issue is damaging the economy (as it will within the EU) but, hey ho, that's politics

Wonder what the weather is like on “planet Bren2K”

Belittling someone on an Internet forum because you don’t agree with their view is the hallmark of a bully

Regards

King james

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't see a vacuous 1 line response as bullying; quite the opposite - it strikes me as the standard response of someone who doesn't have their own opinion, but just disagrees with mine. I'm indifferent to it.

I have an opinion, you’re just closed minded to even bother posting it. I’m glad you’re indifferent, I am far from a bully, but King James is a troll of the worst kind. If you genuinely believe Corbyn is “prime minister” in all but name then fair enough, I think he’s a doddering old hippy who missed the 70’s. One thing we can agree on, they’re all pretty useless, regardless of party affiliation.

Saying 'we can agree' on it doesn't make your opinion any more valid, nor do ad hominem insults ('doddering old hippy'). In fact, these kind of juvenile attack lines are no longer effective, and even less so after they were all used up in the election campaign. Most people are starting to see Corbyn as he is, an old-school but compassionate Bennite leftist, who refuses to get down and dirty even when his opponents lamentably abuse him. If you want to halt the decline of your beloved Tory party, you better start countering Corbyn and Labour with proper facts and proper respectful arguments. Right now you're losing the war of ideology quite badly.

Agreed, he’s 50 years out of date, post all the graphs you want, simple fact is Labour, without fail, screw the country over whenever they get any semblance of power. Life isn’t fair, we’re not all equal, human beings are the only species where some believe that survival of the fittest should be disregarded.

This is where we've arrived; "use all the facts you want - my opinion is better!"



Any sentence that starts with these words, or variations of them, can be guaranteed one thing - it won't contain any facts at all, simple or otherwise.

And we see why the Singapore Bin is a shadow of its former self... Enjoy your dull bitterness and hatred of anyone else's achievements, it's a lonely life for you, such a shame...

I'm entirely confused what my, or anyone else's, achievements have to do with this; but b'bye - feel free to come back when you have something of substance to say... or don't... whatever.

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604 The Bank of England believes that up to 75,000 jobs could be lost in financial services following Britain's departure from the European Union. The BBC understands senior figures at the Bank are using the number as a "reasonable scenario", particularly if there is no specific UK-EU financial services deal. The number could change depending on the UK's post-Brexit trading deal. But the bank still expects substantial job losses.

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604 The Bank of England believes that up to 75,000 jobs could be lost in financial services following Britain's departure from the European Union. The BBC understands senior figures at the Bank are using the number as a "reasonable scenario", particularly if there is no specific UK-EU financial services deal. The number could change depending on the UK's post-Brexit trading deal. But the bank still expects substantial job losses.

It will be worse than that - I understand that Labour will today use an old parliamentary rule to force the Tories to release the Brexit impact studies they've been desperate to supress; the finance jobs will be the tip of the iceberg.

They can make all the predictions they want - they are simply that a prediction.

How many of the doom predictions that were made following the vote have actually come to pass? Who is to say these predictions have anymore validity?

All they are - are what we see on here all the time - people trying to use bias info. to support their point of view.

The OBR are supposed to be experts - how often do they actually getting right?

Economics is a massively complex area where equally competent experts will have polarised opinions - that's why we should take all these pronouncements with a pinch of salt - because actually nobody has a crystal ball.

I'm still baffled as to why we need to make this huge leap in the dark.

And yet an overwhelming majority of economists believe that Brexit will damage the UK economy, with estimates from between 2 to 9% of GDP; a small group advocating free trade have suggested the opposite, but their model has been exposed as fundamentally flawed.

The only people I can see who aren't polarised are rabid Brexiteers, who don't actually have any expertise; even David Davis has now admitted that the 'deal' he gets is likely to favour the EU, particularly when it comes to 'money and stuff.'

Given the absolute shambles of the negotiations, the exposing of so many lies during the campaign, and the increasing amount of information available to the public and MP's (only after the Government were forced to release the impact studies,) it seems to me that the only reasonable way forward is a 2nd vote on the deal itself; and that's before we mention the dark money scandal surrounding Farage and Aaron Banks that is just starting to emerge.

If the case for Brexit is so compelling, I can't see what Leavers would have to fear from that?

I expect if the result had gone the other way the leavers would also be clamouring for a second stab at it.

The 4% majority for me was too fine a margin to make such a momentous decision. The referendum shouldn't be binding unless it's a 10% majority for change.

There should definitely be a final vote on the deal - however if that vote is restricted to MPs then I expect it to go through no problem as most in leave constituencies would dare not go against the wishes of their electorate even if they disagreed.

Farage was calling for it on the night of the election, when the exit polls were too close to call and he thought Remain would win - so that has already happened.

I couldn't agree more - a non-binding vote in a binary referendum, where large numbers of stakeholders were disenfranchised and the campaign was based on lies; a super-majority should have been required the first time around, and a second vote when the details of what leaving will actually look like, seems the only choice.

As for the politics of it - I tend to agree; this has now become a career defining issue for politicians of all stripes - they either do what's right for the country, or for themselves and their party, and it's fairly obvious what most will choose.

How about the Pound tanking against the Euro, causing extra inflationary pressures & the predictable interest rate rises?

I can't help but think the remainers have a heck of a lot less backbone than the leavers when it comes to standing up for what they believe in. The leavers in the Conservative Party have agitated for it for at least 40 years, they've endured the political wilderness and then split their own party over it. The remainers just seem to wring their hands but refuse to rock the boat if their job is at risk or the party might lose power.

Are you suggesting interest rates would have remained where they were if we had stayed in?

I agree; I'm a big supporter of Mr Corbyn and agree with most of his policies - but I'm profoundly disappointed that Labour isn't working harder on his original model - stay in, but reform. It will take more than the fundamentally dislikable Chuka Umuna to win the argument, but the party is fearful of losing the momentum they gained at the last GE - particularly as it's starting to look like there could be another one sooner than anyone expected.

Labour are not in power so do not need to work on any particualr model, I mean it could be 5 years before the next General Election so why show your hand now.

The key is to let the Tories fall on their sword, at the moment they are struggling both here and in the EU, if an election is called they Labour go from that point, until then, keep prodding the "jobs frst" angle and let it roll, Labour won't lose any momentum, but the Tories may well.