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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Hate crimes have increased by 41% since the referendum
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How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.
Immigration from the EU is no longer seen as the enemy it was in 2016.
Is all the killing in London anything to do with the referendum? No, does it have anything to do with reduced police numbers? No because the police were willing to go in those areas - does it have something to do with a country flush with drugs and weapons - yes it does.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.
Immigration from the EU is no longer seen as the enemy it was in 2016.
Is all the killing in London anything to do with the referendum? No, does it have anything to do with reduced police numbers? No because the police were willing to go in those areas - does it have something to do with a country flush with drugs and weapons - yes it does.'"
I certainly aren't going to depend grooming gangs or paedophiles of any race creed or colour.
However, perhaps you could explain the 41% increase in those statistics, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN and by throwing the grooming gangs into the pot, are you trying to say that the rhetoric used by Farage and Boris had nothing to do with the increase.
Those two, lovely right wing politicians gave license to anyone with racist views to be empowered to act. Just open your eyes, it really isn't too difficult to see the correlation between the politics and the increase, not even for you.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"My belief is that the phenomenon of remain voters changing their mind largely does not exist. I'm not sure that fits the definition of condescending so you appear to be deflecting by resorting to insults.'"
I haven’t changed my mind, but I do think the referendum result should be respected and we should leave on the best terms available, which ‘happily’ isn’t no deal.
The problem is getting somebody to press the button on a deal, which 48% at best grudgingly accept and that a big chunk of the 52% are bound to regard as somewhere between disappointing and betrayal. The high point of Brexit was always going to be the night of 23 June 2016.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.'"
Proof positive that the dog-whistle tactics of Farage and his less articulate disciples actually works.
90% of child sexual abusers are white men; fancy joining my lynch mob this weekend to take retribution?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I haven’t changed my mind, but I do think the referendum result should be respected and we should leave on the best terms available, which ‘happily’ isn’t no deal.
The problem is getting somebody to press the button on a deal, which 48% at best grudgingly accept and that a big chunk of the 52% are bound to regard as somewhere between disappointing and betrayal. The high point of Brexit was always going to be the night of 23 June 2016.'"
There is a lot of hindsight involved, both leave and remain peddled, shall we be kind and say, untruths. No side or parliamentary party will leave this period of history with anything other than ridicule.
Whatever happens, just get on with it, it dominates the news but, in reality, little will change.
Do we still have troops in Afghanistan, how are we doing with Iran and blocking shipping, what about Aregentina, have they gone quiet, do Spain still lay sovereign claim to Gibraltar.
But hang on, I know who is on STI Island, how much Granny's chamber pot might be worth, that gender neutral/fluid is a thing.I'm amazed the BBC have even remembered it's the 9//11 anniversary.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Proof positive that the dog-whistle tactics of Farage and his less articulate disciples actually works.
90% of child sexual abusers are white men; fancy joining my lynch mob this weekend to take retribution?'"
Where does that stat come from?
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| Quote ="IR80"Where does that stat come from?'"
Over 90% of sexual abuse victims knew the perpetrator; either from family members or friends of the family.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Over 90% of sexual abuse victims knew the perpetrator; either from family members or friends of the family.'"
That isn't a source, unless you missed posting a link?
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| Quote ="IR80"That isn't a source, unless you missed posting a link?'"
Put the stat into your search bar and you'll find stuff that you probably didn't want to know.
It's not as headline grabbing as Asian men grooming young girls but, it's certainly true.
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| Quote ="IR80"Where does that stat come from?'"
Google is your friend - I am not.
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| Quote ="IR80"There is a lot of hindsight involved, both leave and remain peddled, shall we be kind and say, untruths. No side or parliamentary party will leave this period of history with anything other than ridicule.'"
It's a false equivalence akin to saying people died under both Stalin and Harold Macmillan. History will not speak of the exaggerations of the remain camp and the litany of lies of the leave camp in the same breath.
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| Quote ="IR80"That isn't a source, unless you missed posting a link?'"
It wasn't meant to be a link as it was a related but different stat. As I like my job I am not going to google a link, but look at <rainn.org>
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| and so, yet again, the usual suspects take the ill informed high ground, RIP Sin Bin, there is no debate, just bullies & brow beating.
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| It's this kind of excessively dramatic behaviour that led to MitchGarbett being banned and we wouldn't want the same to happen to you mate. If you disagree with something why not counter it with your own opinion.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.'"
Whoopsy. You inadvertently revealed your inner Tommy Robinson by mistake on a public forum.
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| Quote ="IR80"and so, yet again, the usual suspects take the ill informed high ground, RIP Sin Bin, there is no debate, just bullies & brow beating.'"
If you are going to play with the adults you should try & behave like one.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Whoopsy. You inadvertently revealed your inner Tommy Robinson by mistake on a public forum.'"
No just stating fact - so on the Sin Bin negative comments about actual Asian behaviour is now racist?
I also mentioned all the killings in London involving black gangs - is that also racist?
Can we only make comment about whiteys doing bad things? Mostly related to a country awash with drugs and weapons - which I have also mentioned - is that racist too?
Next we all have to follow you lot in Jeremy's mantra - no bad words about the Palestinians!!
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| Just changing the subject slightly.
Driving accross the M62 today their are notices, suggesting that new paperwork "may" be needed for exporters to the EU from first of November.
However, NOBODY knows what this may actually be or whether we will actually be out of the EU by then.
It's like the letters advising businesses to be ready ??
How can you be ready for the absolute unknown 
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"No just stating fact - so on the Sin Bin negative comments about actual Asian behaviour is now racist?
I also mentioned all the killings in London involving black gangs - is that also racist?
Can we only make comment about whiteys doing bad things? Mostly related to a country awash with drugs and weapons - which I have also mentioned - is that racist too?
Next we all have to follow you lot in Jeremy's mantra - no bad words about the Palestinians!!'"
It's all about balance, which you are not giving but you are happy to "cherry pick" a certain group to fit your own agenda, much as the Tory rags do.
Nobody is denying some of what you say but, not all of the bad stuff in the world is down to ethnic groups or immigrants is it ??
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Just changing the subject slightly.
Driving accross the M62 today their are notices, suggesting that new paperwork "may" be needed for exporters to the EU from first of November.
However, NOBODY knows what this may actually be or whether we will actually be out of the EU by then.
It's like the letters advising businesses to be ready ??
How can you be ready for the absolute unknown
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Where are the notices, any idea who put them up?
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| Quote ="IR80"Where are the notices, any idea who put them up?'"
The one that I saw today was on one of the new smart motorway information signs, which is strange as they are supposed to inform about traffic issues and not Tory propaganda.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The one that I saw today was on one of the new smart motorway information signs, which is strange as they are supposed to inform about traffic issues and not Tory propaganda.'"
Not sure it's propoganda for Highways England / DVLA to be informing freight drivers that leaving the EU wil.result in changes to paperwork required?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"No just stating fact - so on the Sin Bin negative comments about actual Asian behaviour is now racist?
I also mentioned all the killings in London involving black gangs - is that also racist?
Can we only make comment about whiteys doing bad things? Mostly related to a country awash with drugs and weapons - which I have also mentioned - is that racist too?'" No, but you raised something to do with Asian behaviour on a thread to do with Brexit. It has nothing to do with it but we can guess what links you are making in your head.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"Next we all have to follow you lot in Jeremy's mantra - no bad words about the Palestinians!!'" How very odd. I've never voted for Labour in my life and am unlikely to start now.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Can we only make comment about whiteys doing bad things?'"
We can at least acknowledge that the racist fuelled hysteria about Asian grooming gangs is a convenient proxy for a certain ideology? And like the last racist who brought it up on here, you will utterly fail to engage with the statistic that I provided - because it's an inconvenient truth.
Again - child sex offences are abhorrent; 90% of them are committed by white men.
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| Quote ="IR80"Not sure it's propoganda for Highways England / DVLA to be informing freight drivers that leaving the EU wil.result in changes to paperwork required?'"
IF we were definitely leaving then and anyone had the faintest idea on what terms we were going to leave, these signs MAY be useful ut, right now, NOBODY has got a clue, therefore, they are a waste of time, effort and money.
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