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| Quote: "much like the Iraq War, the Dearing Report was approved and supported by the leadership of both Labour and the Tories, but wisely opposed by Corbyn. hope that helps.'"
I ask again which party was in government when tuition fee were introduced?
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| Quote: "I ask again which party was in government when tuition fee were introduced?
It is really that difficult to give a straight answer'"
Because I know you're trying to reduce the issue to crass party politics to score points, even when you know the Labour party position on just about everything has changed since 1998. | | |
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| The massively left-wing Channel 4 News just now, "net migration to the UK is down 106,000 in the year following the Brexit vote...but is anyone celebrating?"
Well, yes John you massive muppet, plenty of the 17M leave voters will be pretty happy with that. ![]()
Anyone calling Corbyn a communist is either an outright liar or an absolute blinkered buffoon. Can you give a single scrap of evidence of Corbyn proposing communism? (since you also call Channel 4 'massively left wing', I suspect your compass is rather skewed on these things)
You've also disgracefully slandered him as anti-British and anti-white in this thread, which I would also like you to defend. With real, actual...proof? | | | |
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| Quote: "Anyone calling Corbyn a communist is either an outright liar or an absolute blinkered buffoon. Can you give a single scrap of evidence of Corbyn proposing communism?'"
Communist, Marxist? The jury is out which is why I mentioned both. Either way, he's not so blatant these days in order to widen his appeal.
You're clearly a Corbyn fanboy, but let's take a look at his track record. He wrote for the Communist Morning Star in the 80s and 90s, and continues to feature regularly. He's still an avid reader. He’s on record as stating Marx was a “great economist”.
When he brought in Andrew Murray - a Communist Party member since 1976, another Morning Star journalist and a known admirer of Stalin and the USSR, who has stated his solidarity with North Korea - Corbyn claimed he was just "a democratic socialist and member of the Labour Party like me". Another example of watering it down for the masses - or maybe he's admitting he's just like Murray in his beliefs?
John McDonald – the “unapologetic Marxist” – is his right-hand man. His Executive Director of Strategy and Communications, Seumas Milne, is a devout Stalinist. Diane Abbot is on record as having praised Chairman Mao.
He called Castro a “hero”, praised Chavez, and has failed repeatedly to condemn the violence of Venezuela’s Maduro.
The Communist Party of GB opted not to field candidates in the General Election as Corbyn in power would help them achieve their "revolutionary aims" and closely aligned economic policies. They went on to endorse Corbyn.
Even rlThe Guardianrl knows he’s building his support base from within.
And this little gem speaks for itselfhttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/05/20/3EF7A50000000578-0-image-m-34_1491419920250.jpg" >
He hasn't 'proposed' Communism - indeed I never said he had. Yet. But his core beliefs are firmly aligned in that direction. He's playing a toned-down version to win votes. Stepping down from Stop The War was part of that character realignment.
Quote: "(since you also call Channel 4 'massively left wing', I suspect your compass is rather skewed on these things)'"
Just as I suspect your compass is clearly skewed. Left-wingers would undoubtedly find it all very proper and correct.
John Snow singing "F*ck the Tories" at Glastonbury is a rather less-than subtle indicator.
Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins (among other questionable right wingers) propagandised for the Tories. They reach thousands of times more people than the Communist Party - and I wonder what aims they hope to achieve. What's your point?
Quote: "Even rlThe Guardianrl knows he’s building his support base from within.
And this little gem speaks for itselfhttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/05/20/3EF7A50000000578-0-image-m-34_1491419920250.jpg" >'"
Lol, I'd love to know what you're trying to prove here. You do realise Ken is suspended from the party, and other hard leftists like Galloway remain out in the cold despite right wing scaremongering that Corbyn would bring them back.
And do you genuinely not know the fashion behind the Che t-shirt? It's not some communist propaganda...
Quote: "He hasn't 'proposed' Communism - indeed I never said he had. Yet. But his core beliefs are firmly aligned in that direction. He's playing a toned-down version to win votes. Stepping down from Stop The War was part of that character realignment.'"
So in summary, you have absolutely no evidence of Corbyn being a communist himself. Your best evidence would have been the Labour manifesto, but you know it to be a leftist statement firmly from the Bennite tradition, stacked with policies that the British public support overwhelmingly. (
John Snow singing "F*ck the Tories" at Glastonbury is a rather less-than subtle indicator. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/je ... oreign-po/). You're increasingly in a minority, and your screams of 'anti west!' are going to sound ever more pathetic. You could say a lot of things about the British public, but being anti-Britain is certainly not one. Or maybe your compass really is that off-kilter, in which case I really can't help you.
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Where do I even start with this? Dishonesty or non-sequitur on every single line. It's like a parody of a Daily Mail article.
Quote: "Communist, Marxist? The jury is out which is why I mentioned both. Either way, he's not so blatant these days in order to widen his appeal.'"
No, the jury isn't out, as Corbyn has never identified as either of these things.
Quote: "You're clearly a Corbyn fanboy,'"
Nice try - I voted for Andy Burnham
Quote: " but let's take a look at his track record. He wrote for the Communist Morning Star in the 80s and 90s, and continues to feature regularly. He's still an avid reader.'"
And? He obviously reads news from sources he agrees and disagrees with, as anyone needs to do in this age.
Quote: "He’s on record as stating Marx was a “great economist”.'"
A simple, indisputable fact. Marx is among the most cited and admired economists of all time. His ideas have formed the basis of quite a few things fundamental to modern society, such as the NHS.
Quote: "When he brought in Andrew Murray - a Communist Party member since 1976, another Morning Star journalist and a known admirer of Stalin and the USSR, who has stated his solidarity with North Korea - Corbyn claimed he was just "a democratic socialist and member of the Labour Party like me". Another example of watering it down for the masses - or maybe he's admitting he's just like Murray in his beliefs?
John McDonald – the “unapologetic Marxist” – is his right-hand man. His Executive Director of Strategy and Communications, Seumas Milne, is a devout Stalinist. Diane Abbot is on record as having praised Chairman Mao.'"
And yet he filled his shadow cabinet almost entirely with moderate social democrats and centrists, which amusingly you fail to mention. Watering down the revolution, or maybe it doesn't actually exist and is a conspiracy theory in your head?
Quote: "He called Castro a “hero”, praised Chavez,'"
So did Obama, Trudeau and numerous other soft left politicans. Castro and Chavez were immense political figures regardless of whether you agree with them or not. And I'd thoroughly agree that Castro's survival of decades of CIA siege was heroic and much more. There is good reason that he and Che are the subject of all movie makers dreams.
Quote: "and has failed repeatedly to condemn the violence of Venezuela’s Maduro.'"
Again, wrong. (
Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins (among other questionable right wingers) propagandised for the Tories. They reach thousands of times more people than the Communist Party - and I wonder what aims they hope to achieve. What's your point?
Quote: "Even rlThe Guardianrl knows he’s building his support base from within.
And this little gem speaks for itselfhttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/05/20/3EF7A50000000578-0-image-m-34_1491419920250.jpg" >'"
Lol, I'd love to know what you're trying to prove here. You do realise Ken is suspended from the party, and other hard leftists like Galloway remain out in the cold despite right wing scaremongering that Corbyn would bring them back.
And do you genuinely not know the fashion behind the Che t-shirt? It's not some communist propaganda...
Quote: "He hasn't 'proposed' Communism - indeed I never said he had. Yet. But his core beliefs are firmly aligned in that direction. He's playing a toned-down version to win votes. Stepping down from Stop The War was part of that character realignment.'"
So in summary, you have absolutely no evidence of Corbyn being a communist himself. Your best evidence would have been the Labour manifesto, but you know it to be a leftist statement firmly from the Bennite tradition, stacked with policies that the British public support overwhelmingly. (
John Snow singing "F*ck the Tories" at Glastonbury is a rather less-than subtle indicator. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/30/je ... oreign-po/). You're increasingly in a minority, and your screams of 'anti west!' are going to sound ever more pathetic. You could say a lot of things about the British public, but being anti-Britain is certainly not one. Or maybe your compass really is that off-kilter, in which case I really can't help you.
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Honestly, nothing gets my blood boiling like such dishonesty and smear. I don't come to this forum to get so annoyed, but now I am. I don't even like Corbyn, he was wrong to take sides with the IRA for example, but the lows that the Daily Mail-ist right go to attack him just pushes me more and more towards his politics. And let's face it, these people have absolutely no right to lecture anyone on foreign policy, especially with our recent record. Corrupt liars, all of them.
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lol cronus just got power owned. Tip for you Cronus to avoid embarrassment in the future, stop quoting the daily mail. The make things up
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| Quote: "He obviously reads news from sources he agrees and disagrees with, as anyone needs to do in this age.'"
He wrote for them for many years, and still features regularly. It's a Communist paper. He's their idol. But I'm sure you're correct, there is no link.
Nope, when pressed he flapped around and eventually "condemned violence on all sides" but failed to criticise Maduro even when asked to directly. Failure to condemn in the political arena is akin to condoning.
No.10 is no place for a pacifist. Anyone who refused to say he would authorise a drone strike on an ISIS leader has no place in office.
Quote: "Still, no actual evidence of Corbyn actually being a communist, for all of your bluster.'"
Oh, no, of course not. No evidence he leans that way whatsoever. No clues, no indicators. ![]()
Why the hell would I want a blinkered Corbynite to help me? 
I'm well aware of how Western foreign policy has affected Islamic extremism. I'm also aware of the roots of Wahhabism and of the divisions in the Middle East which do as much to create instability. Iran and Saudi playing the region to their own Sunni/Shia game, ancient tribal divisions, Israel & Palestine, the Kurdish question...the list is almost endless and goes back many hundreds of years. America was 'The Great Satan' a long time before 9/11.
Fact is, Wahhabists and especially the current bunch of Islamic nutters will use any excuse to attack the West for the simple reason their ultimate goal is the restoration of the Caliphate and carrying on that job through to the Islamification of Europe. Not that I imagine a Corbyn supporter would ever accept that.
As I said, anyone who doesn't believe Corbyn's true agenda is heavily along Marxist/Communist lines is either an outright liar or a blinkered buffoon. Not sure about you...you don't come across particularly stupid so I can only assume you're lying in order to defend your hero. You've been sucked in by the new, mass-appeal Corbyn. I bet you loved his GQ makeover. | | |
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| Quote: "And? He obviously reads news from sources he agrees and disagrees with, as anyone needs to do in this age.
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You're really posting that as some form of argument? 
You admit his support of and friendship with the IRA is true but somehow the rest is 'smear' and 'lies'? You can't pick and choose which bits of Corbyn's track record you wish to believe. It's all true, like it or not.
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| Quote: "lol cronus just got power owned. Tip for you Cronus to avoid embarrassment in the future, stop quoting the daily mail. The make things up
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lol? power owned?
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I am beginning to think the likes of JonB are trolling. Which if any of Corbyn's policies don't involve the state having a greater influence on the way society is run?
These are just for starters do you think he will stop there if he manages to get into power!! - anyone who cannot see Corbyn's ultimate objective is either in denial, delusional or stupid.
Very typical far left ideaology - everything is dumbed down apart from those at the top of the political pile who live like kings - do you think the top men in North Korea or China are sharing the hardship of the normal citizen?
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| Quote: "lol? power owned?
Are you 14?'"
No. Are you?
Back on topic , watching Cronus trying to save face is glorious lol
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