Yep

Isn't about time Muslims in the UK condemned IS though? They have been pressurised by the Establishment for some time to speak out but seems to me to have taken them a while. Possibly done as a matter of self-interest?

Condemning them may be seen as some as an admission of association. Don't see anyone demanding the Christians in the UK to actively condemn the Westboro Baptist Church or the Ku Klux Klan before they can be granted some respect by everyone else.

Exactly - The same thing is beginning to happen here as to what happened in the 90's with the IRA, after the Omagh bombing, when all sides came together and simply said they'd had enough of all the pointless killing.... The IRA lost any respect and sympathy from those who had any for them and very quickly peace talks were initiated and concluded.

Its obvious things won't be so simple here, but what will happen is that IS will isolate themselves - They are actually pushing themselves further away from the very people they should be trying to get onside (fellow Muslims) and though I don't see a quick outcome, its now becoming a situation where its IS against the rest of the world.... Even in the madness of the modern world, there is only one outcome to that, its just upto IS and its nutty disciples how messy it will be for them.

so you're comparing IS and the IRA now?

Those things have no relevance to British society. The IS thing does as British citizens are apparently acting murderously for IS and intent on attacking British citizens.

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I was actually comparing situations, which is that seemingly pointless killings of innocents will ultimately drive ALL public sympathy and respect against you.

By 1998 and the Omagh bombing, the IRA had lost nearly all support they had. Even their American sympathisers had their heads shaking at their tactics. It quickly led to Adams and McGuiness running to the diplomatic table as they were morally stuck in a dead end.

IS are now in a similar position. Muslims worldwide are condemning them. Even people who might normally be able to put up some sort of defence for them are struggling to find any logic in their pointless murder of hostages.

I think most people agree, if you want to fight a war, however seemingly idiotic the motivation, then fight a war... However, these tactics of cowardly posturing, in murdering innocent people who are actually there to try and do some good, do nothing but show them up for the maniacs they really are.

Eh?

quickest edit ever

Apart from the fact that the post you quoted hadn't been edited

Quite. No edits there either

it had, but hey, it doesn't matter. Another guy lost his life in an horrific way (not that there's a "good" way for that to happen), am unsure what "we" can do, any intervention just emboldens them, and if we turn away we are weak.

what to do?