It should say SENSIBLE absolutely SENSIBLE.



Let's put it this way. If the tables were turned Labour HQ should be laughing their tits off, "Jeremy, stay well away, whatever happens you won't end up looking as bad as that sorry shower." That's if anyone at Labour HQ actually has their head screwed on.

It may well be that Johnson eventually agrees to some form of debate or critical interview - but best advice would always be to avoid too much close-quarters stuff.

As for tonight's environmental debate, or whatever the hell that was supposed to be...I gave it fair chance but switched off well before the end. Pointless. Just utterly pointless. Mind-numbingly awful.

Yes but for many this is the number issue and to avoid suggests a lack of interest or no plan, so why would they vote for the conservatives, especially the young.

Block of melting ice?
Tub of lard or a wobbling jelly would be more akin, and more use.

So how is Corbyn leading - let's take Brexit as a start - is he dictating the direction of travel?

And why would that be? Because otherwise he'd show himself up to be the charlatan, liar and conman he really is? Mumbling through his ill prepared lines like some naughty little schoolkid who hasn't done his homework.

Johnson's tactic is to live up to the media invented image of 'bumbling Boris', to be as bold and as brash as possible, spouting all manner of fantasies in the most technicoloured language, but as soon as it's time for debate, critique and questioning... shrink and hide away. He's a fraud, and you know it.

Important as the climate is, this was a relatively pointless debate BUT, it does seem like Boris is ducking out of anything where he and his policies may be scrutinised and with alarming regularity and the schoolboy stunt of sending Gove and Stanley to cover for him was just bloody ridiculous.
Really, what kind of politics do we now have.
Whether the Tory strategists have got this one right, or not, they have certainly lowered politics and the GE campaign to it's lowest EVER level.

Meanwhile Johnson will be sticking with very safe appearances, probably with more "groomed" voters and well away from difficult questions.
As I said, SPINELESS.

Well, he's certainly not hiding away and as I said previously, the Tories are 3 leaders down and one that is too scared to show his face.
Therefore, despite the huge lead in the opinion polls, Corbyn must be doing something right.

Lets also remember that it was the Tories that brought in the fixed term Parliament act and since it's inception, they haven't managed a full term








What was the point

As I said, SENSIBLE.



No-one answered earlier - so tell me, can you think of any of these live debates in which someone has delivered a strong and glowing performance, stood head & shoulders above the rest and made you change your mind or indeed your vote?

Nope, they're just full of repetitive soundbites, and (as a caller on JV has just said), bad manners and rudeness. No-one ever looks good. The only swing moment that can happen is a car crash moment. Perhaps if they ever talked like human beings they might be more worthwhile, but they're all trained by media advisers, they all have the same catchphrases, deliver the same evasive answers and use the same body language and hand gestures. A pet hate of mine (started by Blair) is the pointing without a finger - knuckle pointing - to look less aggressive.

When Johnson looks bad in an LBC interview with Nick Ferrari, you know he's got nothing but a wing and a prayer.

And you accuse other people of being a “snowflake”

Nah, it just looks stupid.

Therefore, the answer would be to decline the invitation to attend, rather than saying yes and then sending your dad to cover for you ?
It was hilarious.
The Gove & Stanley double act was all staged to make it appear like something else had happened, they would both be better placed "in the jungle".
Stanley's prominence was all timed to coincide with his son running for leader and tbf, it worked rather well but, this just looked like playground stuff and crying about the relevance of these debates is no good, after your man has been ridiculed, they should have said a very firm NO when the invites went out. Instead, Boris IS running scared and probably with good reason.
I mentioned in a previous post about the glee that the Tories had when pointing out Corbyn's discomfort but, their man is just Frit.

We all know the right wing project snowflake onto everyone to make up for their own bed wetting. Just look at the state of the Tories bellyaching about Channel 4 replacing their leader with an ice sculpture. Johnson has even sent his Daddy in to bat for him.

From what I've seen and heard of Gove this last couple of weeks, he seriously needs to lay off the whisky and cocaine.

And Stanly was bowled with a googly stood next to him

Johnson was woeful on Marr today and it's east to see why he is running scared of Andrew Neil, indeed, he pretty much said that Marr was the only Andrew that would be interviewing him for the BBC.
From blaming Labour for the release of the London Bridge attacker and for the 10 years of austerity, this guy is a buffoon of the highest order.
All that he wanted to do was repeat his rehed soundbites and absolve himself and the Tories of anything that has taken place over the past 10 years.

It's a crying shame that there is so little choice in the election but, anyone but Johnson, PLEASE

He can’t even lie convincingly a bit like his mentor Trump. I am beginning to doubt he was in the government for the last nine years, I presume it was a doppelgänger.
In the last week articles have been found where he has criticised single mothers and the working class let alone Muslims but these apparently have been taken out of context despite the full articles being available to disprove it.
We now know that his tweets this morning justifying that it was the fault of others that the terrorist was out were in fact copied and changed from an account which actually tasted the reverse. When you think he cannot go lower he does.

Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"taken out of context'" This is the new line of denial in politics. Just say it was taken out of context and hopefully nobody will notice you're trying to gloss over a clanger. Unfortunately, plenty don't notice, and they just parrot the same 'taken out of context' line in a desperate/stupid attempt to defend the indefensible. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 3e6f8059ed

Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"taken out of context'" This is the new line of denial in politics. Just say it was taken out of context and hopefully nobody will notice you're trying to gloss over a clanger. Unfortunately, plenty don't notice, and they just parrot the same 'taken out of context' line in a desperate/stupid attempt to defend the indefensible. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 3e6f8059ed

It is a rare and strange example of a governing party running against its own record.

So we have New Old Labour vs... Blue UKIP?

You wouldn’t consider a Blair government to be leftist. I think we will see more lies the nearer we get to Election Day especially if he thinks he won’t get a majority.
I expect the right wing press to also get more desperate with wild stories based on little or no evidence much like Johnson’s MI5 statement today.

In 2 weeks, Diane Abbott could be Home Secretary, in charge of immigration & passports, drugs policy, crime, the fire service, counter-terrorism and the police service. The woman who, incidentally, said of the IRA cause, "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us".

In 1989 she supported an early day motion calling for "the abolition of conspiratorial groups like MI5 and Special Branch which are not accountable to the British people".

In 2015 the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory website issued a statement of demands including "disband MI5". John McDonnell is a signatory to their cause.

So there is anti-MI5 form at the very top of Labour. Of course they've both changed their minds since then and McDonnell signed it "in error".

Ah the politics of fear, but who is currently trying to forget the ten years he was in the government. Why if he thought early release was such a bad idea did he not include it in the Conservatives manifesto or do you think he is just trying to take advantage of the current bad situation despite the father asking for it not to become an excuse for draconian action.

Politics of fear? Indisputable facts reflecting the genuine views of Labour leadership. I've said it many times, you're seeing 'lite' Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott while they're in positions of power to make them more palatable to the general public. If they ever achieved a decent majority their real views would soon be inflicted on us all.

Anyway, early release was already changed in 2012 from Labour's Extended Sentence law which granted and automatic, no-parole review release after half the term, to consideration for release by the parole board after two thirds of term. I'm not sure how enforcing the sentences of convicted criminals could be considered 'draconian'. I would say the current position is rather lenient, if anything.

The responsibility for Khan's release seems to lie with both the Labour-introduced law, and the conclusions and outcome of the appeal, headed by Justice Leveson. However - I don't personally see 'blame' lying anywhere, it was just a sorry conspiracy of events. Although I never agreed with it, I can see why Labour introduced the change at the time, though with the benefit of hindsight it was a mistake.

I'd sooner have a bloke who's shagged around a bit, told a few white lies in the past and made a few un-PC gaffes, than a man who - for his entire adult life - has supported terrorist groups, sided against the UK and the West time after time, and who consorted with Soviets during the cold war. A man who has appointed his ex, the anti-West racist Abbott, and his close friend, the Marxist ideologue McDonnell to the front Labour bench.

Let's not forget, Jeremy Corbyn:
- Invited IRA members to the Houses of Parliament weeks after the Brighton bombing.
- Protested against the trial of one of the (guilty) IRA Brighton bombers.
- Fails - time after time - to apologise for the rampant antisemitism in Labour.
- Will NEVER condemn terrorism without drawing some moral equivalence with a Western action - he couldn't even condemn feckin ISIS without referencing the British Army during the Mau Mau uprising.
- Lied about meeting with the IRA.
- Wants a united Ireland.
- Laid a wreath for the Munich terrorists.
- Promotes Marxist politics of envy. Remember, according to Marx, Socialism leads to Communism.

As usual, the left ignore the inconvenient truth. If those clowns ever get within farting distance of No.10, we're all in trouble.

We will have to start fact checking you like they have to with Johnson. I would also remind you that his ex “friend” who he visited at night , took on trade trips and received over £100,000 in public money. A few PC gaffes are you for real he called out single mothers and the working class in the most derogatory terms.
The man is a buffoon who would throw anyone under a bus for his own advantage. He gets more like Trump everyday that passes and the fact checking would make him so proud of his UK student.
Which party receives money from the Russians and is currently blocking a report on their meddling in the UK elections.