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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"
Cod'ead - well done on your diet, although don't cut too much of the things you like out because you're more likely to fail. A few of the lads at work stopped smoking for new year, some just went cold turkey and the rest have got e-cigs. All of them have kept it up and feel a lot better for it - including their pockets!'"
Thing is I ate most of the things that I thought I liked because it was "the norm". I love fish so that bit comes really easy. I never ate a great deal of meat anyway and since changing my eating habits (I'm loathe to call it a 'diet'), I really can't say that I've missed anything. I've had one 'proper' burger, a ribeye steak and about 4 pieces of chicken breast since January and they've been "treats" and have been sufficient. A matew told me that I would put on weight when I gave up smoking but that only usually happens when people substitute chocolate and sweets for nicotine. The fact that I snack on carrots, celery and cucumber should mitigate those effects.
I went to the pub yesterday to chase up some money that the landlord owes me and a mate offered to buy me a drink. I asked for a Beck's Blue and as I got near the end of the bottle started feeling palpitations in my chest. It was only then I turned the bottle around and noticed the dopey bint behind the bar had given me normal Beck's. I was literally staggering as I left the pub and went to bed once I got home. When I was boozing I sometimes suffered from post-alcohol anxiety and I've been feeling like that since I had the bottle of Beck's. I appear to have become super-sensitive to alcohol now and there is simply no way I want to go back to the bottle again.
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| Quote ="Roofs"Hi guys / girls. Just wondering if it's okay to start a health and fitness thread where we can share experiences, tips etc?
Trying to lose weight and improve overall fitness and health (lost about half a stone since January but long way to go). Am doing pretty much solely treadmill work at the gym, and then at home am doing a mix of kettlebell, yoga and shadow-boxing. Anyone else do any of these and have any advice? I must say it felt weird as a bloke trying yoga at first (not that I'm sexist, just it's still seen by some as more of a "lasses' thing"icon_wink.gif but it is enjoyable to be fair, and some parts difficult!
The kettlebell is an interesting one - my brother recently told me about it, but apparently its been around for decades. Bought an 8kg one (I'm not a strong or muscular person in the slightest!), at first I was wishing I'd perhaps got a slightly lighter one, but getting used to it.
So, how does everyone else get their fitness rush? Any pointers, success stories etc?
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If you like shadow boxing try and get hold of a punch bag or better still, try going to boxing circuit training. I've never sweated as much as when I do that.
There are loads of kettle bell training drills on youtube too. You'll soon be swinging a 20kg one round.
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| Another piece of advice (again from personal experience) look into HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) as your cardio, probably on a bike.
It will kill you at first, but will yeild great results.
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| Quote ="Ski"Another piece of advice (again from personal experience) look into HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) as your cardio, probably on a bike.
[uIt will kill you at first, but will yeild great results.[/u'"
What, even if you are dead?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"What, even if you are dead?'"
You'll be the fittest corpse in your local mortuary.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"You'll be the fittest corpse in your local mortuary.'"
A necrophile's delight.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Thing is I ate most of the things that I thought I liked because it was "the norm". I love fish so that bit comes really easy. I never ate a great deal of meat anyway and since changing my eating habits (I'm loathe to call it a 'diet'), I really can't say that I've missed anything. I've had one 'proper' burger, a ribeye steak and about 4 pieces of chicken breast since January and they've been "treats" and have been sufficient. A matew told me that I would put on weight when I gave up smoking but that only usually happens when people substitute chocolate and sweets for nicotine. The fact that I snack on carrots, celery and cucumber should mitigate those effects.'"
That sounds a sensible way to do it. None of the lads at work have put any weight on so it must be the substitution problem as you say.
Quote ="cod'ead"I went to the pub yesterday to chase up some money that the landlord owes me and a mate offered to buy me a drink. I asked for a Beck's Blue and as I got near the end of the bottle started feeling palpitations in my chest. It was only then I turned the bottle around and noticed the dopey bint behind the bar had given me normal Beck's. I was literally staggering as I left the pub and went to bed once I got home. When I was boozing I sometimes suffered from post-alcohol anxiety and I've been feeling like that since I had the bottle of Beck's. I appear to have become super-sensitive to alcohol now and there is simply no way I want to go back to the bottle again.'"
It was probably on purpose to regain your custom!
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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"
It was probably on purpose to regain your custom!'"
LOL I suppose 8 pints+ a day is a bit of a drag on the takings. He claimed he didn't know the difference between Beack's & Beck's Blue, despite the fact that the non-alcoholic version wholesales at less than 10 bob a bottle
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| I'll try to add a bit of the stuff I've learned over the years.
Diet is far more effective than exercise in changing body fat levels. Despite all the complex stuff you will be bombarded with, it's really a matter of understanding your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) which is a function of BMR x activity rate. There will be a calorie count that keeps your weight constant at your TDEE. To lose weight, eat 500kcals less, to gain weight eat 500kcals more. Varying by more than this can screw your metabolic rate around. You can increase your TDEE by exercising more of course.
Beware of falling into the cardio trap: Lots of aerobic exercise (or dropping your cals too far) which conditions your body to store fat. Storing muscle is "expensive" for the body in terms of calorie expenditure. So starve your body and it will drop muscle to survive, which therefore reduces your BMR & TDEE more, causing a reaction of reducing cals/exercising more: the cardio trap.
Lift weights: More Lean Body Mass increases your TDEE. Don't worry about getting "too big" there are a ton of people in the gym trying to get big so you won't do it by accident. If you do want to get big, you really need to eat higher than your TDEE so be prepared to gain a bit of fat in the process.
I haven't yet cracked how to maintain all strength whilst dropping body fat. I got below 10% but lost a bit of strength. I'm decent power-lifter strong now, but at 15%
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| Anyone try any crossfit workouts?
I did a workout called 'the murph' the other day named after Lt Michael Murphy who was killed in 2005.
With a 20lb pound weighted vest you run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups and 300 squats, then run another mile, do this as fast as you can.
If your time is 45 mins or below, you have an elite level of fitness.
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| Do you do actual pullups or the kind of nonsensical efforts they teach in Crossfit?
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| There is a great deal of gym fixation that has me shaking my head and wondering "Why? Why would you want to do that?"
Running for a mile with a weighted vest and then doing all sorts of strange things at the end of it is not really training you for any sort of real life situation - and the worse thing is that having reached this plateau of "elite level of fitness" you then have to keep doing it every day in order to maintain your Badge of Squatting.
It sort of diverts from the main message of eating correctly and doing a little exercise every day in the midst of your normal life, like using the stairs instead of a lift etc, etc...
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| Does anyone use any protein shakes or diet supplements in order to aid with their weight/body goals?
I just ask as there seems to be numerous different companies offering what basically looks like the same stuff - so just wondering is there any difference and anyone prefer/recommend one over another?
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| Quote ="Jerry Chicken"
Running for a mile with a weighted vest and then doing all sorts of strange things at the end of it is not really training you for any sort of real life situation - and the worse thing is that having reached this plateau of "elite level of fitness" you then have to keep doing it every day in order to maintain your Badge of Squatting.'"
I got that badge on a particularly bad Friday night. I blame the dodgy kebab.
Or it might have been those damned penguins again...
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| Quote ="Mike Oxlong"Does anyone use any protein shakes or diet supplements in order to aid with their weight/body goals?
I just ask as there seems to be numerous different companies offering what basically looks like the same stuff - so just wondering is there any difference and anyone prefer/recommend one over another?'"
Yes. But they are not magic beans. They are precisely what they suggest they are, supplements. Sort your diet (or nutritional programme as I call it to save confusion) out and use them to aid. There's plenty of advice. Check out LDNMuscle, I'm sure they have a good run down of advice on what to look for.
For me;
USN myofusion as a post exercise/early morning breakfast shake(mixed with oats, fruit, peanut butter, an egg and coconut oil. Perfect at 530 am before a 630 weights session).
ON Casein at night.
Everything else is supported through strict control of my food intake.
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| Quote ="Mike Oxlong"Does anyone use any protein shakes or diet supplements in order to aid with their weight/body goals?
I just ask as there seems to be numerous different companies offering what basically looks like the same stuff - so just wondering is there any difference and anyone prefer/recommend one over another?'"
Just concentrate on the "macros" you need to hit: Calories, protein, fat and carbs. If you need to use shakes to hit them, do so.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"There is a great deal of gym fixation that has me shaking my head and wondering "Why? Why would you want to do that?"
Running for a mile with a weighted vest and then doing all sorts of strange things at the end of it is not really training you for any sort of real life situation - and the worse thing is that having reached this plateau of "elite level of fitness" you then have to keep doing it every day in order to maintain your Badge of Squatting.
It sort of diverts from the main message of eating correctly and doing a little exercise every day in the midst of your normal life, like using the stairs instead of a lift etc, etc...'"
One day we will both come across a scenario where someone is trapped under a car.
My deadlifting ability will save their life. I will be a hero.
Your stair walking ability will not. You will fail and spend a lifetime feeling guilt.
Four times a week BTW, two days squatting.
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| Quote ="Richie"
Four times a week BTW, two days squatting.'"
A few doses of Imodium could probably ease that right up.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"A few doses of Imodium could probably ease that right up.'"
Get a barbell across your shoulders and squat a couple of times a week, and it will
Clear up those lower back problems 90% of the population seem to have.
Prevent the 1lb of lean body mass you are losing every year, which is slowing your BMR and equating to getting fatter.
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| I bought a bike on the bike to work scheme in September and have since lost just over 2 stone. Its been a revelation. I've lost weight doing something that I absolutely love. In addition to that I go to the gym 3 times a week, mainly doing weights but also cardio. I've taken a lot of meat out of my diet and drink plenty of water. Very small changes can make a big difference. The only thing I would say is don't get discouraged. It took years to get the weight on, so don't expect it to go overnight.
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| I went to see the practice nurse this afternoon and came away with my "starter pack" of Champix. So I start taking one a day from tomorrow, then two a day from day 4. She reckons that my "Quit Day" of 19 April is perfect as I'll then be on day 11 of the initial course. I've been smoking for 50 years now, so I know this one ain't going to be easy but I am determined. It was losing the weight and giving up booze that finally convinced me that maybe I really could quit smoking after all.
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| If you're weight training, it's all about the big, compound exercises. Richie is quite correct in what he says about squatting, deadlifting and other compound movements - they help you to maintain/build strength, lean mass, bone density and neuromuscular coordination.
The biggest favour you can do yourself as a gym goer is to get some proper instruction on some free weight exercises (avoid machines unless you really need to use them) and let them form the core of your training programme.
Another thing that's worth remembering is that your body adapts quite specifically to the stresses you place upon it, so you should tailor your training towards the results you wish to achieve. So, for example, if your goal is to lose a bit of fat and gain some muscle, hours of LSD cardio won't get you there. Likewise, if you want to run marathons, spending five days a week lifting weights is probably not the best idea.
I worked in the fitness industry for a while a few years back, and I still dabble with a bit of personal training, so if anyone wants any specific advice, let me know and I'll help where I can.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"
I worked in the fitness industry for a while a few years back, and I still dabble with a bit of personal training, so if anyone wants any specific advice, let me know and I'll help where I can.'"
OK you asked for it.
I intend to enroll at my local gym becuase I'd like to get back running again. Up to 20 years ago I'd run 25 miles a week on average then when I quit refereeing, I quit all training too. Quite apart from wanting to turn what was until recently a Party Seven back into a six-pack, I'd also like to get back running again. The main problem with running is I have osteo-arthritis in both knees (the left being marginally worse). Since losing the weight I've realised just how much I have missed getting out on the road, I used to find it very therapeutic, not just physically but mentally too. I used to work off a lot of frustrations by pounding tarmac. I've read on t'interweb that OA shouldn't be a major drawback to running, even at my age and that by exercising and building up the muscles around my knees, that can mitigate any further damage. I also intend to run on grass as opposed to concrete.
Is this a folly or is there a realistic chance of me getting my running shoes back out again?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"OK you asked for it.
I intend to enroll at my local gym becuase I'd like to get back running again. Up to 20 years ago I'd run 25 miles a week on average then when I quit refereeing, I quit all training too. Quite apart from wanting to turn what was until recently a Party Seven back into a six-pack, I'd also like to get back running again. The main problem with running is I have osteo-arthritis in both knees (the left being marginally worse). Since losing the weight I've realised just how much I have missed getting out on the road, I used to find it very therapeutic, not just physically but mentally too. I used to work off a lot of frustrations by pounding tarmac. I've read on t'interweb that OA shouldn't be a major drawback to running, even at my age and that by exercising and building up the muscles around my knees, that can mitigate any further damage. I also intend to run on grass as opposed to concrete.
Is this a folly or is there a realistic chance of me getting my running shoes back out again?'"
There's a chance, I suppose, though running often isn't thought to be one of the better exercises for those with osteoarthritis in the knees because of the impact on the joints.
You're certainly correct that strengthening the muscles around the joint and doing some aerobic exercise to improve suppleness ought to help the condition, but lower impact activities (swimming/cycling) along with some resistance work tend to be recommended for most people in your position.
That said, much depends on the individual and how severely the condition affects them personally. I think it's always important when exercising to do something you enjoy, as there's a much greater chance of adherence than by doing something you actively dislike. I would advise you to speak to your GP and see whether he/she thinks going back to running is a good idea for you. I would advise extreme caution when running outside though - if your knees are weak, the slightest unevenness in the running surface can jar the joint and set you back. If you get the nod from the doctor, I'd try using a good quality, well sprung treadmill, at least to start with.
I'm sure I don't need to tell you this (I'm going to anyway), but whatever you do end up doing, it's vital that you start slowly and build up gradually. Another thing you might like to try is doing different types of exercise over a couple of weeks, and keeping a diary of how your joints feel one, two, twelve and twenty-four hours after exercise. This should help you to ascertain which exercises are likely to cause you the least problems as you progress.
There are exercise referral schemes in place in some areas, and your GP may be able to refer you to a PT with specific training in dealing with your condition.
Hope that's of some use, let me know if there's anything else.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I worked in the fitness industry for a while a few years back, and I still dabble with a bit of personal training, so if anyone wants any specific advice, let me know and I'll help where I can.'"
You’ve asked for it now…
I’m in my 40s, my BMI is at the very top of normal and I’m carrying a bit of flab around the waist I’d like rid of. I’d also like to build up a bit in strength all over particularly in the core and upper body. I play tag rugby twice a week in the summer (Mon & Wed) and swim on the Tues to get rid of the stiffness. What can I do to get the flab off and build strength? I’m trying to cut the booze out during the week but end up eating heaps since I run out of energy very quick even on days I’m doing nowt. I’d also like to be able to do a 10k at a decent time but live in an area covered in massive steep hills so running is hard work.
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