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Quote: Leaguefan "People NEARLY voted Cameron in and look what happens.

He makes a dead man look effective.

People who work for others and vote Tory are not logical thinkers IMO. You work hard to make other rich at YOUR expense and you think that's good, then blame people who want to help level the playing field and support you.

I notice how the Unions that have closed shops, (Equity, BMA, Law Society) are never condemned by Tories, nor are the major unions such as the Freight Transport Association, National Farmer Union!!!, CBI, Institute of Directors etc. are never criticised by Tories or people who post anti union dogma caused by lack of joined up coherent logical thinking ability.

Add this to the hypocrisy of Tories and right wing apologists who spout "work hard to improve yourself" but when you do they use ever means possible to prevent you "moving into our world". See how Tory governments have used the police as their civilian "army" to quell "riots" in this country but support right wing groups in other countries as "freedom fighters"'"


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Quote: El Barbudo "Yup, Labour and Conservative are neck and neck at the moment.
Which is slightly bad news for the Tories, as some of their seats are densely Tory with high majorities, which wastes support.

Still, they had the chance to go for Proportional Representation and spurned it.
If they'd helped the Cleggster with that, he might (?) have supported their boundary changes.

Oh well.'"



Clegg doesn't want PR. He got the AV vote he wanted and got mullered.

Many Labour seats are high majority & the marginals are Lib Dem who are dead in the water.

With all the allegedly terrible policies the Tories are responsible for, any opposition party should be streets ahead.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "They never miss an opportunity to speak out, but quickly shut up when they have to admit they won't repeal anything that has been done..'"


Like the bedroom tax you mean?

Quote: BiffasBoys "Clegg doesn't want PR. He got the AV vote he wanted and got mullered.'"


The AV vote was a fudge cobbled together to keep the Lib Dems happy, it was designed to be a stepping point along the way to full PR, it was rightly rejected by the electorate as being said fudge.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "Miliband has no powder to keep dry...'"

You know this ... erm, how?

What with absence of evidence not being the same as evidence of absence ...

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Quote: El Barbudo "You know this ... erm, how?

What with absence of evidence not being the same as evidence of absence ...'"


He has no policies. The evidence of this is the absence of any policies. HTH

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Quote: Big Graeme "Like the bedroom tax you mean?

The AV vote was a fudge cobbled together to keep the Lib Dems happy, it was designed to be a stepping point along the way to full PR, it was rightly rejected by the electorate as being said fudge.'"


They won't change anything.

It wasn't a fudge. Didn't Gordy offer the same to try & get the Lib Dems to go into coalition?

It was rejected because everyone watched the Auf Wiedersehen Pet clip.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "They won't change anything.'"


So you've not seen any news for the last few days them?

Quote: BiffasBoys "It wasn't a fudge. Didn't Gordy offer the same to try & get the Lib Dems to go into coalition?

It was rejected because everyone watched the Auf Wiedersehen Pet clip.'"


If course it was a fudge, it was a halfway house to full PR with all the bad bits and very few of the advantages, it was put together by a mainly Tory government and was designed to keep LD activists quiet and not get the electorate interested at all.

Same, Davey boy could do with a bit of PR at the moment with those electoral boundary knocked back.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "He has no policies. The evidence of this is the absence of any policies. HTH'"

Care to show me the evidence of this absence?
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Quote: BiffasBoys "He has no policies. The evidence of this is the absence of any policies. HTH'"



He has a policy to get the energy companies to increase their prices before the next election, and then reduce investment in infrastructure after the election. a046.gif (although that lightbulb might not be much use in 2016 when the power goes off).

he can also pretty much guarantee that the pre-election Tory party coffers are swelled by donations from the energy market now.

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Quote: EHW "He has a policy to get the energy companies to increase their prices before the next election, and then reduce investment in infrastructure after the election. I'm guessing that's your prediction of the result arising from his plan to freeze prices after the election?
i.e. That the energy companies will get their increases in early?

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Quote: BiffasBoys "They won't change anything. <re

Whoops, wrong again.

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Quote: El Barbudo "I'm guessing that's your prediction of the result arising from his plan to freeze prices after the election?
i.e. That the energy companies will get their increases in early?'"


Yes. There will be the inevitable increases before then anyway, but they will have to get the prices to 2017 levels in 2015, so they will just get there quicker and stay there for a couple of years. Not sure that the policy would even be legally enforceable.

Whilst it will hit the Big 6, they are most able to soak up any financial hardship for a couple of years; but many of the smaller players in the market will not be able to - so there will probably be another round of mergers and takeovers of the smaller companies, reducing competition and strengthening the oligopoly of the Big 6.

Has he thought about the staff in energy companies who can now expect not to get a pay rise for 20 months?

Having said that, Cameron's Energy Policy is not much better or well thought through.

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not forgetting the inevitable big rise in 2017 when the price controls end.

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Quote: EHW "... Has he thought about the staff in energy companies who can now expect not to get a pay rise for 20 months? ...'"


As opposed to the demonised public service workers and the low paid (the two are one and the same on occasion) who haven't had a rise in years anyway?

The rising cost of utility bills is one reason why the cost of living has risen so much – to fund private profits.

We need to stop one group of workers saying that nothing can be done because of their wages when that affects another group of workers.

The real question should be why any worker should have seen their pay decrease over the last few years in relation to the cost of living, and what a government should do about that.

According to the ONS in November 2012, rises in the cost of living have outstripped wage rises for 12 straight years. Utility bills are a huge part of that problem.

In the last year or so, even posters on the [iTelegraph[/i forums have been noting that utility privatisation has damaged the domestic customer and not provided a great result. [iTelegraph[/i readers are muttering about renationalisation. That should tell people an awful lot.

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Quote: EHW "Yes. There will be the inevitable increases before then anyway, but they will have to get the prices to 2017 levels in 2015, so they will just get there quicker and stay there for a couple of years. Not sure that the policy would even be legally enforceable.

Whilst it will hit the Big 6, they are most able to soak up any financial hardship for a couple of years; but many of the smaller players in the market will not be able to - so there will probably be another round of mergers and takeovers of the smaller companies, reducing competition and strengthening the oligopoly of the Big 6.

Has he thought about the staff in energy companies who can now expect not to get a pay rise for 20 months?

Having said that, Cameron's Energy Policy is not much better or well thought through.'"


I don't know if it was just Miliband's summary you listened to but Caroline Flint went into a bit more detail. The energy companies are positioning themselves in a similar way to the banks - too big to fail. There is a complete lack of transparency in the market, especially among those who are involved in production and distribution. The opportunity for fixing transfer pricing is undeniable and cannot be allowed to continue.

Rather than spelling out a firm policy, I think this more of a shot across the bows. The energy companies have been given plenty of opportunities to prove the market really is competitive and have failed miserably. I would't rule out windfall taxes or a forensic audit of the big players. And as far as the "what about a wagw freeze" argument, you'll get next to fookall sympathy from the vast majority of the population

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