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Quote: JerryChicken "... 66% TripAdvisor rating - 66% being very good on that site for moaning tw*ts)
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T'Other Half spotted a review there once for a cafe/restaurant that we regularly use in Paris (it's superb for people watching).

It was written by a man who had been to the upstairs restaurant with his wife and child. The child, he acknowledged in this 'review', had been standing on chairs etc, but having done nothing himself, he was appalled that one of the staff was quite "rude" about it.

Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Unless I misunderstand it, the effect of pooling tips is that the staff providing the best service are subsidising the tips for those who are not the best.
Is that not the opposite of what tipping is supposed to be for?

Better by far to pay a proper wage and stop treating staff like servants.'"


You do misunderstand, pooling tips ensures those who work just as hard back of house get a proportion of the tips.

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Quote: Mintball " ...
Quite agree.
Mind, apparently in some restaurants, staff can make a fortune in tips.'"


... and, in others, not.
For example, in 2008, Carluccio's were still using tips to actually top up their staff wages to the minimum wage ... and it was legal !
Whether that has now changed, either at Carluccio's or in law, I don't know, but I seriously doubt it.

Service charges ... there is no universal use of where that money goes and in many (most?) cases it is just a boost to the bill and profits ... and, as you can't go fetch your meal from the kitchen yourself, it's just a shifty Ryanair-style trick in restaurants, if you will.

All tips are supposedly taxable but it must involve guesswork on the part of HMRC to decide just how much is taken in tax.

As long as tipping persists there will be employers who exploit it.
Again, to be fair, surely it's much better and simpler to pay a proper wage.

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Quote: El Barbudo "... and, in others, not.
For example, in 2008, Carluccio's were still using tips to actually top up their staff wages to the minimum wage ... and it was legal !
Whether that has now changed, either at Carluccio's or in law, I don't know, but I seriously doubt it...'"


It was outlawed – rlbecame law in 2009rl.

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Quote: Mintball "On the matter of tips – if you want to tip staff at a hotel, do it in cash directly and don't add it onto the room bill, even when you fill in the 'gratuity' section on the chit.

Hilton Liverpool doesn't hand those tips on, according to staff there, and I suspect it's not alone in that.'"



I once had a huge argument with a restaurant in Chester (and was asked to leave icon_biggrin.gif ) for refusing to pay the "service charge" element of the bill. The bill without the service charge was £220 and they had added 12% on (£26.40) which I told them I wasn't paying. We had been served by 2 young girls who had done a good job so I gave them each £20 in cash as a tip. The restaurant owner still insisted that I had to pay his service charge on top of that, which I told him was nonsense and there is no legal obligation to pay a service charge on any bill. Restaurants trick many customers by implying that the service charge is something they are obliged to pay when there is no legal basis for it.

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Quote: Big Graeme "You do misunderstand, pooling tips ensures those who work just as hard back of house get a proportion of the tips.'"

Fair enough (and thanks for that, I hadn't realised) but it doesn't affect my point about how they should get a fair wage anyway.
If I buy a shirt at M&S the service I get is determined by a system and is not reflected by tipping, so why should it be like that in a restaurant?

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Quote: Big Graeme "Same old Tories, if you don't vote for them they couldn't give a stuff.'"


My present potted theory is that, in 2013, they really don't actually care whether people vote for them or not, they must know with certainty that they have zero chance of being re-elected yet are doing nothing about it. Instead they seem to be hell-bent on offering protection, advantages and doing cosy deals with big business, carry on as usual with banks, line the pockets of the big insurers, crack on with more crazy PFI schems and "outsourcing", hell they even talk about privatising the courts and the borders etc. Maybe some of them will do rather well out of it with non-exec directorships etc in the near future. Maybe some already have.

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Trip Advisor is the bain of every hotelier and restauranteur in the country and yet can make or break their business.

To use the hotel of my inside knowledge they now have pro-active management who reply to most guest comments and the most oft-used phrase is on the lines of "I wish you had mentioned this while you were staying with us", or a more polite version of that - time and again they ask every guest at check out if they have enjoyed their stay and most of them state how much they have enjoyed it, only to then moan like hell when they get home and sit in front of their computer.

This particular hotel has recently appointed a new chef and apparently he is superb and is getting the reviews to match, just looking at some of the comments they've received this week on TA there is one that has marked the hotel down two stars for the simple reason that they didn't have baked beans for breakfast, they then go on to say how they loved the rest of their stay but not having baked beans for breakfast was a two star deal breaker - f'kin idiots icon_lol.gif

The best I saw though was a couple who complained that the reception staff had been rude and insolent at check out when this couple had tried to make a complaint about their room, unfortunately for them the hotel manager happened to be observing his reception at the time as part of their training duties and his comment on TA to them is priceless, basically the couple were lying through their teeth, hadn't complained at all and had received perfectly courteous service at checkout - in all seriousness the hotels now recognise that there is an element of statutory complaint in order to get a reduction on bills and/or free or heavily discounted re-visits.

Why the fook would you accept a free stay at a hotel you've just slagged off icon_lol.gif (but they do)

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "My present potted theory is that, in 2013, they really don't actually care whether people vote for them or not, they must know with certainty that they have zero chance of being re-elected yet are doing nothing about it. Instead they seem to be hell-bent on offering protection, advantages and doing cosy deals with big business, carry on as usual with banks, line the pockets of the big insurers, crack on with more crazy PFI schems and "outsourcing", hell they even talk about privatising the courts and the borders etc. Maybe some of them will do rather well out of it with non-exec directorships etc in the near future. Maybe some already have.'"


As I mentioned the other day, 206 of 'our' Parliamentarians have recent or current private financial interests in private healthcare. They got to vote on privatising the NHS.

And that's just one subject.

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Quote: JerryChicken "... Why the fook would you accept a free stay at a hotel you've just slagged off
They probably aren't overly fond of bloggers either, but I do attempt to post from a properly critical perspective. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Mintball "They probably aren't overly fond of bloggers either, but I do attempt to post from a properly critical perspective.
No, its a well recognised and very commonly used blag at check-out now, to complain bitterly about some random and inconsequential (and sometimes invented) problem, then when offered a future free nights stay they grab it with both hands and walk out with a big grin.

There have been some customers noted who have then repeated the tactic on their return visit too in order to blag another free stay, its not usually offered a second time around icon_biggrin.gif

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Thing is with TripAdvisor, you can see straight through the stupid-trivial-complaint-blown-up-into-a-major-incident-stuff and the over-the-top-friend-of-the-owner doing-a-favour stuff.
You get to able to judge from it anyway.
If a place gets nothing but complaints, there's got to be a reason.
If an American liked the service and says so on TripAdvisor, wow, it's got to be top-notch.

As my work has taken me all over the place over the years and as my indulgences have also been travel and eating-out, I have contributed to TripAdvisor (fairly, I like to think) about hotels and restaurants, usually on either end of the satisfaction scale ... I mean what's the point posting about Pizza Express for example, doesn't everyone already know it's acceptably bland but out-competed by Zizzi?

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I once started a TA review of a Travel Lodge in Birmingham with "I must have stayed at a different place to everyone who has already reviewed this place" because I found it perfectly acceptable in line with the Travel Lodge business model.

All of the reviews that preceded mine were having a right old go at it and rating it one star, in a perverse way I was looking forward to staying there just to see how bad it was, but it was fine, as a Travel Lodge it was exactly what it said on the tin.

Strange enough, every review that followed mine then said "Yeah I thought it was ok too..."

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Quote: Mintball "It was outlawed – rlbecame law in 2009rl.'"


I'm surprised this lot haven't repealed that one already.They could always throw in the staff meals as remuneration too, so if they take a meal during their duty, the restaurant could dock them the £60 or so it would usually charge a punter

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Quote: JerryChicken "I once started a TA review of a Travel Lodge in Birmingham with "I must have stayed at a different place to everyone who has already reviewed this place" because I found it perfectly acceptable in line with the Travel Lodge business model.
All of the reviews that preceded mine were having a right old go at it and rating it one star, in a perverse way I was looking forward to staying there just to see how bad it was, but it was fine, as a Travel Lodge it was exactly what it said on the tin..."'"

I've done similar ... and also the opposite, for places that preceding reviewers seemed to have thought that, because it was sy and they paid a lot, it must have been excellent.
If I pay a lot, I expect highly.
If I pay a little, I expect accordingly.

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 Fri 11th Apr 2025
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 Sat 12th Apr 2025
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 Sun 13th Apr 2025
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 Thu 17th Apr 2025
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20:00
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 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Hull FC
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Hull KR
20:00
Wigan
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Hull FC
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Wigan
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
17:15
Hull KR
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Salford
19:30
St.Helens
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Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
13:00
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v
Hull FC
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Thu 13th Feb
SL
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Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
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15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
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Huddersfield-Warrington
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Wakefield-Hull KR
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Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
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14:30
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Thu 6th Mar
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Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
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Castleford-Salford
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St.Helens-Hull KR
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17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
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York 29 695 501 194 32
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Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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