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Quote: Him "No that's "evidence" that a god exists, not the Christian God. If they've been told from early age it was a different god and not told anything about Christianity then they won't know the Christian God exists and will naturally believe that the earth was created by the different god. So how can they place their trust in a god they don't know exists?'"


The 'Christian God' is not the 'Christian God', he is simply God.

Most major world religions mention God and Jesus in their teachings. For example, someone in a strict Islamic family in Pakistan will have heard about Jesus, and no doubt what Christians believe, but has chosen to reject it.

I feel sorry for such people but I can but share the good news.

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Quote: kirkstaller "The 'Christian God' is not the 'Christian God', he is simply God.

Most major world religions mention God and Jesus in their teachings. For example, someone in a strict Islamic family in Pakistan has heard about Jesus, and no doubt what Christians believe, but has chosen to reject it.

I feel sorry for such people but I can but share the good news.'"

Not to some Amazonian tribe or places that do not teach the major religions. What happens to these people? They have never been taught about God, they believe in a different God. How can they place their trust in a god they don't know exists?

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Quote: Him "Not to some Amazonian tribe or places that do not teach the major religions. What happens to these people? They have never been taught about God, they believe in a different God. How can they place their trust in a god they don't know exists?'"


If they place their faith in the one who created the world, I believe they will be treated justly. The Bible tells us that we have a creator and that creation is evident through the natural world.

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[quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x] [quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.     Regards,   Matthew[/quote:3e09qe5x]:23521.jpg



Would you always take scripture over science?

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Quote: Sheldon "Would you always take scripture over science?'"


Where there is a conflict?

Yes. I'd rather stick with the God's unchanging Word than gamble with the fickle opinions of scientists.

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[quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x] [quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.     Regards,   Matthew[/quote:3e09qe5x]:23521.jpg



Quote: kirkstaller "Where there is a conflict?

Yes. I'd rather stick with the God's unchanging Word than gamble with the fickle opinions of scientists.'"


So debate is totally pointless with you.

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Quote: kirkstaller "Tell me, how do you tell what is and isn't moral?'"


If your god told you to kill me would you do it?

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Quote: Sheldon "So debate is totally pointless with you.'"


Sorry for not abandoning my faith. I'm only emulating Jesus.

I wish you well.

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Quote: Big Graeme "If your god told you to kill me would you do it?'"


Yes.

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Quote: kirkstaller "Yes.'"


And that proves beyond doubt that you are a sociopath.

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[quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x] [quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.     Regards,   Matthew[/quote:3e09qe5x]:23521.jpg



Quote: Big Graeme "And that proves beyond doubt that you are a sociopath.'"


It's unbelievable and scary, if it wasn't god mentioned but the invisible monkey the police would look into it.

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring" Carl Sagan:11327.jpg



Quote: kirkstaller "Yes. I'd rather stick with the God's unchanging Word than gamble with the fickle opinions of scientists.'"


And their is the crux of the problem with religious fundamentlism, all critical thought and reason goes out of the windowand is instead replaced by blind dogmatism.

It is this line of thought which leads to the subjugation of women and provides "justification" for the killing of other humans who do not belong to the same faith or who dare to question it that particular faith.

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I've somehow managed to stay out of this debate so far, having lived in the US (Colorado, to be specific, home of the well known pillar of morality Rev. Ted Haggard) this sort of thing has been a fairly frequent bar room conversation for me.

Now, in this case I originally thought kirkstaller was trolling, then I thought he was serious, then back to trolling and now I've come to the sad realisation that he is probably serious after all.


Quote: kirkstaller "Where there is a conflict?

Yes. I'd rather stick with the God's unchanging Word than gamble with the fickle opinions of scientists.'"


This is the beauty of science, that it can and does change. In fact it constantly wants to change, redefine and improve on its ideas based on new evidence. If the world was happy to take the 'unchanging word' of a god then we would be stuck in the dark ages. Think of all the great things that are now available to you in everyday life that you owe to 'fickle scientists': cars, planes, medicine, the Internet, computers. Not to mention the vast amounts knowledge that the last century alone gave us. We have been enriched as a species by the quest for knowledge and understanding of the world around us. Please don't allow yourself to be satisfied with the 'unchanging word' of some bronze age scribblings. Even the brightest minds in the world really had no idea what was going on back then when compared to what the average person can discover today, if only they have the willingness to open their eyes and look.

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Isn't there something in the AUP against this kind of thread?

Is 'Gods unchanging word' the one that has changed on many occasions down the years then? You know... losses and gains in translation, English version being different from other language versions in some respects, all that kind of thing?

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Quote: Sheldon "It's unbelievable and scary, if it wasn't god mentioned but the invisible booty monkey the police would look into it.'"


More likely men in white coats.

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