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| Quote: Jack Burton "Well, Lynch has certainly exposed the media for the establishment mouthpieces they are.'"
Don’t forget the Conservative sacrificial junior ministers. It’s something of a record being called out as being a liar 17 times on tv
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "This is an interesting dispute and comrade Lynch is a breath of fresh air.
The unions make one good point - the share of profits is out of kilter - you cannot have huge profits and shareholder distribution and then say we can't pay the workers more money.
On the other hand you can't have no compulsary redundancies - effectively saying all workers have a job for life even if that role has been modernised out - that show the union in bad light and gives Boris and his mates ammunition against Labour and their close connection with the unions.
Boris needs a summer of union strikes - it will distract from all his other behavioural mistakes.'"
I don’t agree about the comment about you can’t have no compulsory redundancies.
You can make jobs redundant- Many who have worked a long time will take non-compulsory for the package. If jobs no longer exist then you offer to retrain those workers elsewhere. It’s more than doable.
The modernisation that the government is talking about makes it sound as if they are putting in fancy new equipment- what it means in reality is people working more weekends for no more money.
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| The strikes on the railways are just the tip of the ice berg. There is a summer of discontent coming.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The strikes on the railways are just the tip of the ice berg. There is a summer of discontent coming.'"
YEP. teachers, nurses and other nhs workers next.
I used to work in education. The pay isn't bad as a teacher on the face of it - but the workload is absolutely shocking.
I would easily be putting in 60 hours a week in a 'normal' week, and during the "holidays" that you all think we get I would work at least half of those. We would be expected to come in and do revision sessions during holidays, after school sessions etc, parents evenings, open evenings, so really when you work it out you are earning minimum wage. And don't even get me started on the bullying culture that exists on staff in many schools. and if you work in a 'tough' school its even harder.
all that is before COVID, I really don't know how my ex colleagues have dragged themselves through the last two and a half years. I look back know and think F*** what I put up with!
nurses are in a similar boat with shortages and all the extra they are having to do.
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| Quote: jools "YEP. teachers, nurses and other nhs workers next.
I used to work in education. The pay isn't bad as a teacher on the face of it - but the workload is absolutely shocking.
I would easily be putting in 60 hours a week in a 'normal' week, and during the "holidays" that you all think we get I would work at least half of those. We would be expected to come in and do revision sessions during holidays, after school sessions etc, parents evenings, open evenings, so really when you work it out you are earning minimum wage. And don't even get me started on the bullying culture that exists on staff in many schools. and if you work in a 'tough' school its even harder.
all that is before COVID, I really don't know how my ex colleagues have dragged themselves through the last two and a half years. I look back know and think F*** what I put up with!
nurses are in a similar boat with shortages and all the extra they are having to do.'"
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| After watching all the media clips I was a paid up member of the fan club and ready to get the Lynch t-shirt. But then I saw him asked if he regretted urging his membership to vote to leave the EU, and he said he did not.
Now personally left wing brexiters make my skin crawl. We already know right-wing littler England types have a warped world view but for the left to be quitlings is utterly disgusting. It is perfectly legitimate for socialists to be ideologically opposed to the EU as constructed. However, they have a duty to ask themselves a fundamental question, is the working man and woman better off in the EU or out of it. I'd argue that if he thinks the working classes are better off out of the EU he's either a liar or he's unhinged.
So the fact that Lynch was a committed brexiter back then, and he is unapologetic for it to this day, more than cancels out the goodwill I had based on his sparring. A little Friday rant as I'm way too hot.
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| Quote: wotsupcas "I'm in the private sector and I'll have to survive on a 2% increase.
Public sector workers on average are better paid than those in the private, especially in low skilled jobs.
They can also retire earlier and on better pensions. Oh and on average they work fewer hours and have longer holidays.
But apart from that they are really suffering
I believe it's costing around £7m a day to look after the Dinghy Divers.
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| The difference with the private sector is wage inflation impacts costs - these costs have to be passed - this is resulting in much higher costs across all industries. We are not getting 2/3% increases we are getting 10%+ this is just for firms to standstill.
If you add the costs of raw material and transportation to wage inflation you have a toxic mix that will fuel further inflation or drive job losses as firms who can't pass on these increases go under.
The public sector is different HMRC/DVLC/NHS/DWP wage increases don't drive anything significantly other than taxation to pay for it i.e. it isn't passed on
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| Quote: Cokey "I believe it's costing around £7m a day to look after the Dinghy Divers.
The new Rwandan plan which other countries have stopped due to costs does not bode well. I would think if it was so economical compared to the existing arrangements they would be shouting it from the rooftops but no not a mention, I wonder why. We have already paid Rwanda 120 million before we even start and £500,000 on a plane just to make de Pfeffel and the Home Secretary appeal to certain voters prior to two by-elections.
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| Unfortunately for the Tories, who are encouraging this strike for all they're worth because they perceive huge electoral advantage from it, the world has moved on a long, long way since the 1970s.
Most people simply don't find trade unions to be terrifying bogeymen any more, they don't see working people fighting for decent wages and working conditions and conclude they are the enemy. Because they are fights so many would love to have, if only they had the power.
40 years of Thatcherite and post-Thatcherite policies have created a country with vast wealth inequality and insurmountable social mobility issues. A country in which the Conservative-supporting elites bribe their way to have the ear of government officials, are in happy receipt of lucrative government contracts (where they deliver worse results for more cost than when things were done in-house) and who pay low, little or no taxes. And where, perhaps most important of all, the free market has been so corrupted that companies like Amazon, the big supermarkets and giant conglomerates and oligopolies are able to drive small businesses out of existence and drive wages down across the board with their anti-competitive behaviour.
The country's economic model has clearly fundamentally failed. The generation for whom the mention of "unions" drove them to voting for Thatcher is sadly largely dead now and younger people simply don't have the same perspectives. The upcoming fight will inevitably be similar to France: between a band of hard core extremists of the far right (who have taken over the Tory party), the young who are jaw droppingly left wing and the centre for whom the fight to preserve and restore free market values will generate a very large, quite unsatisfactory big tent. The Tory party's grievence-based politics, their culture wars and their attempts to find wedge issues will only take them so far, but they will milk it for all they're worth in the hope of getting enough voters to vote for them or not vote for the opposition to enable their minority rule to continue. Labour's task is to try and knit together a coalition of the centrists, increasingly appalled by the extremism of the Tory party, and the left - and that will be difficult indeed.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Unfortunately for the Tories, who are encouraging this strike for all they're worth because they perceive huge electoral advantage from it, the world has moved on a long, long way since the 1970s.
Most people simply don't find trade unions to be terrifying bogeymen any more, they don't see working people fighting for decent wages and working conditions and conclude they are the enemy. Because they are fights so many would love to have, if only they had the power.
40 years of Thatcherite and post-Thatcherite policies have created a country with vast wealth inequality and insurmountable social mobility issues. A country in which the Conservative-supporting elites bribe their way to have the ear of government officials, are in happy receipt of lucrative government contracts (where they deliver worse results for more cost than when things were done in-house) and who pay low, little or no taxes. And where, perhaps most important of all, the free market has been so corrupted that companies like Amazon, the big supermarkets and giant conglomerates and oligopolies are able to drive small businesses out of existence and drive wages down across the board with their anti-competitive behaviour.
The country's economic model has clearly fundamentally failed. The generation for whom the mention of "unions" drove them to voting for Thatcher is sadly largely dead now and younger people simply don't have the same perspectives. The upcoming fight will inevitably be similar to France
A very interesting post - some of which I agree with.
It is no surprise that big business wanted to stay in Europe - this had nothing with supply chain it was all about cheap labour. Having access to our labour market for all Europeans create plenty of labour and a simple supply/demand model tells you what happens when supply exceeds demand and visa versa. No shock wages are rising. A positive from Brexit.
I agree about the Tories all policies have gone out of the window as all energies seem to be focussing on protecting "Big Dog". How they think they can go into the next GE with him as leader and defend the 19 Manifesto defies any kind of logic. The party needs a reset and quick if it to avoid decimation.
I agree about trade unions - they are not the militant force they were - their membership is so far down on what it was challenging for them to have the same impact they once did. The problem I have with unions is they cannot deal with local disputes effectively as they are scared of setting precedents for future disputes. I would have more respect if the union leaders had to survive on strike pay when they call out their members.
I don't agree about the Amazon's/supermarkets etc - they provide good value - the smaller shop has to change their model to compete - offer something the customer wants to buy - it does have to be cheap. Amazon/Ebay have shown the way regarding on line and there are millions of small retailers now operating in this way. They just can't afford to pay the rent/business element of a retail operation.
The general public know that if the high wage settlements cannot be passed on there will be fewer jobs - a pragmatic approach is what is needed - will unions provide that? The part of the model that is wrong is the underpinning by property - this is what is causing the real cost issue. Nurses don't use food banks because their wages are low its because their rent/council tax is too high. We need cheap housing that can be accessed easily - and a lot of it. We also need to make it easier for young people to get on the property ladder - huge deposits are unachievable - if the potential purchaser can demonstrate a history of paying rent at an appropriate level surely a small deposit should be sufficient.
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Quote: Sal Paradise "I don't agree about the Amazon's/supermarkets etc - they provide good value - the smaller shop has to change their model to compete - offer something the customer wants to buy - it does have to be cheap. Amazon/Ebay have shown the way regarding on line and there are millions of small retailers now operating in this way. They just can't afford to pay the rent/business element of a retail operation.
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Amazon and the supermarkets are operating continually in anti-competitive ways. They need to be broken up to restore our free market.
A client of mine used to supply Tesco with tomatoes. Tesco would come to them and set the price, no negotiation and they set terms of something like 180 days. This isn't a free market of supply and demand, it's big businesses hammering small suppliers because they have all the power in the world.
Amazon is even more egregious. They have been allowed to expand into the marketplace. You would no doubt laud small entrepreneurs bringing products they have conceived to sell on Amazon Marketplace. However... if a product does well, suddenly an Amazon equivalent will appear. And the product of the entrepreneur will mysteriously fall down the rankings so that nobody goes to it any more. Amazon shouldn't be both the biggest retailer in the world and the biggest marketplace for goods in the world. It's a blatant anti-trust violation.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... ip_20_2077
Let's not even get started on how Amazon sells books. But like all huge companies its main aim is to drive competitors out of business after which it can jack up its prices. Likewise we know about the working conditions at Amazon warehouses.
If there's one ethical thing you can do today, one stand you can make it's to stop buying at Amazon, stop using Tesco and Asda and walk down the street to your local shops and buy there, or use second tier internet sellers. And encourage everyone you know to do the same. Because the dream of these big, unregulated monsters is to have no competition and the ability to jack up prices and profits in the long run, all at our expense.
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Quote: Sal Paradise "I don't agree about the Amazon's/supermarkets etc - they provide good value - the smaller shop has to change their model to compete - offer something the customer wants to buy - it does have to be cheap. Amazon/Ebay have shown the way regarding on line and there are millions of small retailers now operating in this way. They just can't afford to pay the rent/business element of a retail operation.
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Amazon and the supermarkets are operating continually in anti-competitive ways. They need to be broken up to restore our free market.
A client of mine used to supply Tesco with tomatoes. Tesco would come to them and set the price, no negotiation and they set terms of something like 180 days. This isn't a free market of supply and demand, it's big businesses hammering small suppliers because they have all the power in the world.
Amazon is even more egregious. They have been allowed to expand into the marketplace. You would no doubt laud small entrepreneurs bringing products they have conceived to sell on Amazon Marketplace. However... if a product does well, suddenly an Amazon equivalent will appear. And the product of the entrepreneur will mysteriously fall down the rankings so that nobody goes to it any more. Amazon shouldn't be both the biggest retailer in the world and the biggest marketplace for goods in the world. It's a blatant anti-trust violation.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... ip_20_2077
Let's not even get started on how Amazon sells books. But like all huge companies its main aim is to drive competitors out of business after which it can jack up its prices. Likewise we know about the working conditions at Amazon warehouses.
If there's one ethical thing you can do today, one stand you can make it's to stop buying at Amazon, stop using Tesco and Asda and walk down the street to your local shops and buy there, or use second tier internet sellers. And encourage everyone you know to do the same. Because the dream of these big, unregulated monsters is to have no competition and the ability to jack up prices and profits in the long run, all at our expense.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The difference with the private sector is wage inflation impacts costs - these costs have to be passed - this is resulting in much higher costs across all industries. We are not getting 2/3% increases we are getting 10%+ this is just for firms to standstill.
If you add the costs of raw material and transportation to wage inflation you have a toxic mix that will fuel further inflation or drive job losses as firms who can't pass on these increases go under.
The public sector is different HMRC/DVLC/NHS/DWP wage increases don't drive anything significantly other than taxation to pay for it i.e. it isn't passed on'"
It's a difficult conundrum, for sure.
The Tory ethos has been to squeeze the public sector wages and cut back services over the past 10+ years.
The absolute bare faced lies from Government Ministers and the PM suggesting that their pay has kept up with inflation is f****** shocking and is a deliberately
repeated lie to try and put those workers in a bad light and its ridiculous that the media dont call them out on this.
There is an horrendous double standard where limits on city bosses bonuses are being scrapped at a time when public and private sector workers are seeing massive real terms pay cuts.
The use of incorrect numbers to suggest that the average pay in certain sectors is much higher than the actual average is another tactic being used and again, needs calling out.
One of the drivers to inflation in the UK, putting our inflation above many of our European neighbours is the plummeting value of the £, making ALL dollar based imports much more expensive.
It's strange that in years gone by, a cheap £ would help drive exports but at the moment, largely due to Brexit, this isn't happening.
Certainly interesting and worrying times.
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