> Northern blame industry-wide manufacturing problems for delays introducing new trains.

They have 30 of 33 Class 195s. Thus far twelve have been used.

vbfg blames Northern's driver training programme.

I realise that this is going off piste, but has anyone else noticed that some of the newer Northern Rail carriage doorways are significantly higher than the platforms?

Better than the other way round

My train was on time this morning & it was a newer one.

Progress

Pacer on time this morning, then stuck outside Leeds station for 10 minutes.....Can you have another word with NR?

The delay is hardly Northern Rail's issue more likely Rail Track or whoever runs the network - this is the issue around punctuality, how much of it is out of their control?

Bring back state ownership and you will get a lot more of that - no competition so who cares?

You are probably correct in this instance.

That is so offensive to the millions of us who work damn hard to serve the public. I have seen far more dedication, for less reward, in the public sector than I did in the half of my career in the private sector. Workers in the private sector care about nothing but exploiting society & the environment for money.

Really - I think most workers in the pvt sector care about having a job - that usually means performing better than their competition. You will always get wasters in any sector - look at XR most either work in the public sector or have retired from the public sector or are in FT education run by the public.

I am not for one minute suggesting the public sector are wasters but the demands are different and the cultures are very different. If the local council isn't fit for purpose they will not close or it will not go bust and out of existence it will continue with the same people.

British Rail, like the NHS was a phenomenally efficient and creative organisation. Whilst it could never cover up for the chronic failure to fund it properly it delivered just as good reliability with much older stock on a fraction of the public subsidy being spent today.

Sadly because of the lack of investment in the past we are playing catch up and of course when that happens you need to increase spending to make up the shortfall. More people use the trains than ever before - more routes more trains more investment in infrastructure the world has moved on.

NHS has never been as creative as it is now - people are living longer in part due to advances in clinical option in the NHS - to compare how it is now to even 10 years ago is bonkers