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Quote: headhunter "Not at all. Both are insular, backwards-thinking arguments based entirely on bluster, blaming foreigners for domestic problems, cultivating a negative rhetoric and fear of outsiders, an 'us vs them' mentality and misplaced ideas of patriotism. The people who voted for the Nazis weren't bad people, they were just idiots who were easily influenced and bought into the bluster which struck a chord at the time. Just the same as Trump supporters in the USA. Sadly many people are not intelligent enough not to want scapegoats.'"


If we're taking the word "vote" to mean any kind of substantive process then the people who voted in the Nazis were the 1% - banking elites, industrial conglomerates - plus outside finance (mainly from the US & UK) - who sought first to protect their assets from the very real threat of appropriation by the Left (as happened in Russia on Herbert Hoover's watch) and then finally to enrich themselves by smashing labour unions, conscripting forced labour etc.

The media would have us believe the Nazis were swept into power by the popular vote when this couldn't be further from the truth. In reality they (just) managed to squeeze a toe-hold in elections and then expertly employed the Four Bs (Bullets, Blackmail, Bribery & Broads) to consolidate their position.

But NONE of this would have been possible without huge financial injections by Henry Ford, JP Morgan, Du Pont, I.G. Farben etc.

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Quote: Cronus "This has been widely known for months. There are certain financial obligations up to 2020 I think, partly due to the EU spending well above its budget. I'd be amazed if we paid anywhere near £65bn. I've heard figures of around the £25bn mark, though I'm prepared to be corrected.'"


I know its been mentioned for a little while but, it certainly never made the press before, during or after the campaign.
Using the modern analogy, usually favoured by Labour, it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.'"


Who cares about that - the NHS is in rude health, and once all the nasty immigrants are kicked out of the waiting rooms, Dr's and nurses will be sitting around twiddling their thumbs; or at least the ones who weren't immigrants will be.

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The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy s , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.

Keep the coal-fired stations going now.

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Quote: Stand-Offish "The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy lovers , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.'"


How will Brexit make any difference ?
The deals with EDF, to build new Nuclear Power Stations have already been signed (prior to the referendum) and we have effectively agreed to I think a 30% increase by 2020 ?.
Unless you think that Brexit will change this, which it wont, you should expect your energy costs to rise steadily until 2020 and probably beyond.
If we were still digging coal from the ground we may still have some control but, instead, we have put our energy supplies in French hands, oh yeah and then fallen out with them a046.gif

All good stuff.

At least we will have "control" icon_surprised.gifops:

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