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Quote: Wire Yed "Yet people will pay (granted a small fee) to vote for some no mark in a singing contest or some idiot in a house to be kicked out, yet not walk to the polling station and vote for free on something that actually matters, I despise and despair of this society, it's so easy to change the system and the world if people could just think and act, neither of which people seem to do anymore.'"


I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "easy". I mean, in Western democracies you can impose a [ilimited[/i degree of change on elected governments. But we're only talking within a relatively narrow spectrum (and getting narrower all the time) because more and more power has been devolved away from politicians and into the hands of big business, NGOs and such (mostly via trade agreements such as NAFTA, GATT, WTO etc. etc.)

Moreover, you should always be wary about activist movements because stated motives and actual motives are not always the same. Take the "Tea Party" in the US. Few people know that around the time of its genesis it was actively pushing for an investigation into the events of 9/11. However, the moment the likes of the Koch brothers and such became involved all that went by the wayside.

History teaches us that whenever people have attempted to push beyond the "acceptable" boundaries of change they've encountered severe pushback. This ranges from penetration and subversion of activist groups, surveillance, warrantless searches etc. right up to long-term incarceration, torture and death squads.

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Quote: Cronus "This has been widely known for months. There are certain financial obligations up to 2020 I think, partly due to the EU spending well above its budget. I'd be amazed if we paid anywhere near £65bn. I've heard figures of around the £25bn mark, though I'm prepared to be corrected.'"


I know its been mentioned for a little while but, it certainly never made the press before, during or after the campaign.
Using the modern analogy, usually favoured by Labour, it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.'"


Who cares about that - the NHS is in rude health, and once all the nasty immigrants are kicked out of the waiting rooms, Dr's and nurses will be sitting around twiddling their thumbs; or at least the ones who weren't immigrants will be.

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The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy s , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.

Keep the coal-fired stations going now.

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Quote: Stand-Offish "The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy lovers , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.'"


How will Brexit make any difference ?
The deals with EDF, to build new Nuclear Power Stations have already been signed (prior to the referendum) and we have effectively agreed to I think a 30% increase by 2020 ?.
Unless you think that Brexit will change this, which it wont, you should expect your energy costs to rise steadily until 2020 and probably beyond.
If we were still digging coal from the ground we may still have some control but, instead, we have put our energy supplies in French hands, oh yeah and then fallen out with them a046.gif

All good stuff.

At least we will have "control" icon_surprised.gifops:

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