Where do you think the EU gets it's money from?

Quite why anyone would want to continue under the present terms to be a member of such an undemocratic, corrupt self serving organisation that cannot solve any of the really important issues like immigration, Greece, imbalance between it's northern and southern economies, its ongoing recession and decline.

Those that wish to remain in the EU are bombarding us with scare stories of what may happen if we leave but fail to acknowledge the equally scary reality of what will happen if we stay in. To argue that by staying in we can influence decision making has been shown to be a nonsense by history and latterly the PM's 9 month campaign to win his promised reforms. Faced with the really serious prospect that the EU could lose their 2nd largest banker you would have expected some real progress of very minor reforms if they valued the UK position.

The reality is we have no real influence now and we will have even less if we vote to remain in as we have blown our last chance of real reforms. Belgium & France have issued an ultimatum that is to be included in any agreement made this week which states that this is our last chance at winning any reforms so it will be a take it or leave it agreement with no future chance for change or future referendums.

The decision to remain in or to leave should not be just about the four small beer areas of the PM's negotiations. The big decision is do we want to become just a region in a German run federal state or do we wish to remain an independent self governing nation like Canada or Australia.

There will be pluses and minuses which ever way we vote but as one of the worlds largest economies (and one of the fastest growing) we will survive outside the EU very well and will continue to trade with the EU as they need to export to us even more than we need to sell to them. I would prefer to leave the EU and even continue to pay a tarriff for the benefit of trading with the EU and lose the pretence of any inside influence in return for a return of key sovereign powers to our elected parliament.

I know its been mentioned for a little while but, it certainly never made the press before, during or after the campaign.
Using the modern analogy, usually favoured by Labour, it would certainly pay for a few schools and hospitals or care for the elderly.

Who cares about that - the NHS is in rude health, and once all the nasty immigrants are kicked out of the waiting rooms, Dr's and nurses will be sitting around twiddling their thumbs; or at least the ones who weren't immigrants will be.

The folly in letting French and German energy companies buy half of our suppliers is now apparent post the Brexit vote.
nPower is to raise gas prices by 5% and electricity by a whopping 15%

And rather than the rest sticking together and shafting the greedy s , they will follow suit and shaft US!

Also, if I am correct, we are connected to the French grid. At periods like breakfast and tea time we are importing electricity from France.

What kind of dumb-ass thinking got us here?

If Brexit doesn't result in a change of tack, then I will be staggered.

Keep the coal-fired stations going now.

How will Brexit make any difference ?
The deals with EDF, to build new Nuclear Power Stations have already been signed (prior to the referendum) and we have effectively agreed to I think a 30% increase by 2020 ?.
Unless you think that Brexit will change this, which it wont, you should expect your energy costs to rise steadily until 2020 and probably beyond.
If we were still digging coal from the ground we may still have some control but, instead, we have put our energy supplies in French hands, oh yeah and then fallen out with them

All good stuff.

At least we will have "control"

Please use the thread 'Brexit Anyone? (2)' as we are well past the 1000-post limit ... the most recent posts are there.

Thank you.