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Quote: El Barbudo "You know this ... erm, how?

What with absence of evidence not being the same as evidence of absence ...'"


He has no policies. The evidence of this is the absence of any policies. HTH

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Quote: Dally "I think the problem in all this derives from the definition of "Britain." '"

Fair point. Perhaps Geoffrey Levy and "The Cowardly Lion" Dacre would be able to answer that one. After all, they're the ones who, in publishing the articles, decided that RM hated Britain, when the evidence seems to be somewhat opposite to that.

Perhaps the Britain he hated was the one he foresaw, when a dead man's reputation could be smeared and, when his family complain, the person smearing could respond by refusing to apologise and repeating the claim. I know I find that pretty hateful.

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Quote: Dally "I think the problem in all this derives from the definition of "Britain." <snip> So, maybe "Britain" here means certain instruments of the state and establishment so beloved (joke) of the Daily Mail itself? ...
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For the [iDaily Mail[/i to define "Britain" in that way (if it does) is utterly vacuous.
To label someone, purely on the on the basis of having different views, as a hater of Britain is indefensible.

I happen to loathe the [iDaily Mail[/i, the concept of monarchy, unelected peers, the class system and many aspects of Parliament.
I also dislike the Church of England, Association football, reality television and the Conservative party's values.
Does that mean I hate Britain?
No, of course it doesn't.

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Quote: Ajw71 "You have to admire the stinking hypocrisy of Dave O.

Today he says

Disagreeing with policies of former PM's is not slating the dead. It is not libelling of slandering them either.

Saying R Miliband hated Britain is libellous and would land you in court merely for the headline if he were still alive.

You obviously don't know what libel is as your feeble attempt to catch me out shows.

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Quote: Ajw71 "Marxism is a vile ideology that has been rejected by the vast majority of countries in this world. The fact that the North Koreans choose to display large posters of Karl Marx on government buildings tells you all you need to know about its messed up aims and values. These same aims and values are incompatible with British values of democracy and freedom.'"


North Korea isn't a Marxist state whether they have posters of him on the walls or not. Do some research and you will find that out.

Quote: Ajw71 "Ralph Milliband was a staunch Marxist whose views didn't appear to change much between the age of 17 and when he died. Whether he 'hated Britain' or not is unclear - I suspect the only man who can answer that definitively is the man himself who is dead. What is clear however is that Marxism is incompatible with British values. Whether this equates to him hating Britain is debatable. '"


Not only do you not understand what libel is, you don't have any understanding of R Milibands views on Marxism either. For example he was against revolutionary Marxism and was against dictatorships despising the Soviet version of it (Marxist-Leninism) and was very much for tolerance and free speech. He gave money to Czechoslovakian freedom fighters resisting Russian oppression. From one of my earlier linksThe Times also published a series of letters from Ralph Miliband to the newspaper which undermined the Mail's claim that he opposed free speech and failed to stand up to repression in the Warsaw Pact. In one letter he spoke out in favour of Czech dissidents.
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The information is all there that shows R Milliband did not hate Britain and could not be accused of supporting anything like the kind of Marxism the Mail (and you!) assert he did.

If you have any interest at all in educating yourself on R Miliband rather than believing the drivel written in the Mail read thishttp://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/oct/01/daily-mail-distorted-book-ralph-milibandrl

If you do you may even conclude if Ed Miliband [ihas[/i been influenced by his Father, it might be a very good thing. R Miliband was clearly not only a towering intellect but also an extremely fair and just man.

Quote: Ajw71 "The people lauding Alastair Campbell are embarrassing. How this bloke gets airtime on serious television programmes is beyond me. He doesn't destroy anyone by political debate. He shouts them down and doesn't let his 'opponent' answers any questions he puts to them. If this kind of 'debate' leads you to think he has somehow won the argument / beaten his opponent you are somewhat mistaken.'"


Cambell had the guy on the ropes. When repeatedly pressed about the assertion R Miliband "hated Britain". He was reduced to repeating the rather pathetic phrase that Milibands Marxists views made him "antipathetic to the views and values of other British people".

Antipathetic means strongly disagrees with by the way. Now saying he hated Britain because he strongly disagreed with the views and values of other British is like saying Norman Tebbit "hates Britain" because he hates the Trade Unions. There is no connection between being a socialist and hating Britain any more than there is being a right wing Tory.

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Quote: Ajw71 "The people lauding Alastair Campbell are embarrassing. How this bloke gets airtime on serious television programmes is beyond me. He doesn't destroy anyone by political debate. He shouts them down and doesn't let his 'opponent' answers any questions he puts to them. If this kind of 'debate' leads you to think he has somehow won the argument / beaten his opponent you are somewhat mistaken.'"


He "shouted him down" by asking him to answer the question put (similar to Paxo and Michael Howard). He wasn't in position to let the guy on Newsnight answer as he had no intention whatsoever of answering. He won the argument because the "opponent" couldn't/wouldn't answer or explain why he had been sent in in place of the person who is ultimately responsible and who is STILL hiding away, sending out minions by the bucketload to speak for him.

Campbell by plenty.

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Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Sun 25th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Leigh
SL
15:00
Wigan-Hull FC
Fri 30th Aug
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Warrington
Tue 6th Aug
SL 2 Wigan28-6Leigh
Sun 4th Aug
SL 20 LondonB12-10Catalans
WSL2024 10 FeatherstoneW6-68LeedsW
WSL2024 10 BarrowW6-64St.HelensW
WSL2024 10 Wire W0-61York V
WSL2024 10 WiganW70-0Hudds W
L1 18 Keighley72-12Newcastle
L1 18 Oldham32-0Midlands
L1 18 Rochdale46-32Cornwall
L1 18 Workington24-28Crusaders
CH 20 Barrow24-24Bradford
CH 20 Dewsbury16-42Wakefield
CH 20 Featherstone24-16Batley
CH 20 Halifax38-18York
CH 20 Sheffield22-20Doncaster
CH 20 Whitehaven12-24Widnes
NRL 22 Penrith22-14Newcastle
NRL 22 Canterbury22-18Canberra
Sat 3rd Aug
SL 20 Hull FC6-46St.Helens
SL 20 Salford22-16Leeds
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 11 340 138 202 18
St.Helens 11 289 114 175 16
Warrington 11 286 143 143 16
Hull KR 11 262 169 93 14
Catalans 10 218 152 66 14
Salford 11 210 226 -16 14
 
Leeds 11 204 198 6 12
Huddersfield 11 240 229 11 10
Leigh 11 234 212 22 7
Castleford 11 184 352 -168 5
Hull FC 11 122 386 -264 2
LondonB 11 116 412 -296 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 18 626 222 404 34
Sheffield 18 510 303 207 26
Toulouse 17 516 224 292 25
Widnes 18 434 319 115 23
Bradford 18 421 321 100 22
Featherstone 18 464 375 89 18
 
Doncaster 18 338 432 -94 17
York 19 446 383 63 16
Batley 18 300 390 -90 16
Halifax 18 356 477 -121 14
Barrow 17 279 482 -203 13
Swinton 18 346 470 -124 12
Whitehaven 18 348 580 -232 12
Dewsbury 19 240 602 -362 2
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