Quote: Derwent "While he's answering that one maybe he could also tell us about the CCJ's recently imposed on the business too (but of course there are no financial problems according to Mr Samuel They were tax related. If you read the RL press article you refer to then you will see that quite clearly. The CCJs had nothing to do with the productivity of his business. And he is stating that his business has made a pre-tax profit this year as opposed to last year when it made a small loss. I think it's great that the RFL are supporting the Crusaders. It's just a shame Gateshead Thunder and Sheffield Eagles couldn't have had the same kind of support at the same time in their development. At least the RFL seems to have learned its corporate lesson from the mistakes of the past (in leaving clubs to sink or swim, or worse still - merging to save other clubs). Here is a link: www.totalrl.com/features/content ... tcat_id=49

Quote: Derwent "While he's answering that one maybe he could also tell us about the CCJ's recently imposed on the business too (but of course there are no financial problems according to Mr Samuel They were tax related. If you read the RL press article you refer to then you will see that quite clearly. The CCJs had nothing to do with the productivity of his business. And he is stating that his business has made a pre-tax profit this year as opposed to last year when it made a small loss. I think it's great that the RFL are supporting the Crusaders. It's just a shame Gateshead Thunder and Sheffield Eagles couldn't have had the same kind of support at the same time in their development. At least the RFL seems to have learned its corporate lesson from the mistakes of the past (in leaving clubs to sink or swim, or worse still - merging to save other clubs). Here is a link: www.totalrl.com/features/content ... tcat_id=49

I said that because its you usual line is to have a dig anytime HKR are mentioned or mention the made up fact that we all think we have millions of fans (You didnt let yourself down on either score in this thread eh. )
You know it and I know it.
Infact seeing as you seem to know so much about what was said on KR's forum I have a sneaking feeling you went on there for ammo.
So Congrats with finding it.
Also why would I feel the need to go on my forum as cavalry the way you stereotyped KR fans you would think that ALL the fans were saying what you are quoting when they are not.
Like I said 'Spouting your usual Gobsh**e I see'
P.S sorry for interupting this thread and may in say again that I want CC to become massive as any expansion is good for tgg!

Why do some people have a problem with the CC getting a helping to hand off the RFL? The RFL should be applauded for actually being pro-active and heading off trouble now not when it's a full blown crisis. The first SL season was always going to be difficult.

Great. The other clubs will have budgetted on the basis that they would get that money and if it is denied to them (particularly with no notice) it would cause financial problems for them.

Why should other clubs suffer because Leighton Samuel can't add up?

Hedgehog King. you seem to be in the know. does this mean that no other clubs have ever been helped out by the RFL? It was my impression that several had, including SL clubs. Is your opposition to us getting help (if we actually are) actually because we are not based in the North of England?

I'm not "in the know", I'm just a bloke with an opinion. I don't have a particular problem with the RFL assisting Crusaders but not like that.

Crusaders aren't the only SL side and they aren't the only ones who are cash light, if the RFL took away part of Crusaders Sky money to help out Bradford or Quins then I would imagine that Crusaders would have something to say about it. And rightly so, they would have budgetted on the basis that they would get that money and losing it would cause them problems.

If the RFL have the funds to loan Crusaders funds then fine IMO they should lend it to them - but it should be a loan and the RFL shouldn't have to do this every year.

Crusaders have had a bad season and ordinarily they would be relegated back to NL1 where they could cut their cloth according to their means and win more games. The new rules mean that they have to play in SL for another two seasons minimum and this presents a fairly unique problem and one that causes me some worry.

I think Crusaders can survive one bad season but if the next one is equally poor then things aren't going to be pretty. They aren't the worst side to play SL by some distance but you can't really market a club as "Not the worst side ever to play the game".

Debateable

I'd agree though problem isn't getting them out of trouble this year it's the next two! They have to DOUBLE home gate to even break even, gonna happen? Highly unlikely!

Why?

J20, we need to average 4500 gate to break even. We are loitering around 3500. That is 1000 more, NOT double. Don't think a lot of Widnes educational standards

He means 4,500 full paying supporters

And to tell the truth I dont see how even that many would break you even

Not if you were intending to spend at the max salary cap

I would have thought that to break even any SL club would need at least 6/7,000 averages if they were to spend anywhere near full S/C

Wouldn't other elements come into play too, though? Like income generating opportunities, overheads, sponsorship deals, etc. I'm sure that if any British rugby league club (at any level) relied solely upon gates then most of them would go bust.

Starbug I KNOW he means full paying supporters. We are averaging around 3500 full paying supporters. There are freebies for the big games to sweeten the deal, but very few have been handed out this last few games.

We are, I understand, spending nowhere near the salary cap which may explain a few things but have / had a good sponsorship deal with Brains.

Put is this way , last night a saints fan was telling me that mr Mcmanus was having to chip in to keep them afloat on 10,000 crowds and making finals left right and centre

So if they need at least 10,000 I would guess any other club would need at least something similar