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Quote: jannerboyuk "yeah cuz the aussis are so committed to internationl development. all they care about is holding there own with the afl in aus. png will go nowhere without investment. the pacific islands exist depending on whether the aussies can be bothered to let them play and the rest have such a febrile toehold they are entirely dependent on the UK suceeding. Fine i'll alter my prognosis'"


That's your view, however, you are just as wrong about that as you are about everything else.

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Quote: jannerboyuk "Who knows what the rfl has or hasnt done, but are you suggesting that the rfl put cash in samuels pocket or paid running costs for the club? big difference i would suggest.'"


Sky money.....?

Development officers.....?

However much he got for the club, it would have been more with Crusaders in SL than in CC. Essentially he sold a SL place and little else. Where did he get the SL place from?

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Quote: Starbug "Are you on drugs ? it is not the RFL that are forcing anybody to move anywhere , the move to Newport is a Crusaders decision , probably to try to build a bigger fan base in a bigger town'"

You really do like being obtuse, don't you? The move to Newport was to facilitate a new stadium being built in Bridgend and it was part of the licence application. That means Crusaders had to be either in a new stadium by the three year deadline (max) or in another stadium until a new stadium was built. However, had the RFL eased off on its ridiculous demand for new stadia, especially at a time of quite awful recession, then the Crusaders could have stayed at Bridgend until such time as a new stadium was actually imminent, just as Saints are staying at Knowsley Road until their new stadium is imminent (although slightly different since Saints' stadium is being built at an entirely different location from Knowsley Road, hence logistically things are easier). However, the RFL have not backed off and the Crusaders' hand has been forced.

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Quote: SaintsFan "You really do like being obtuse, don't you? The move to Newport was to facilitate a new stadium being built in Bridgend and it was part of the licence application. That means Crusaders had to be either in a new stadium by the three year deadline (max) or in another stadium until a new stadium was built. However, had the RFL eased off on its ridiculous demand for new stadia, especially at a time of quite awful recession, then the Crusaders could have stayed at Bridgend until such time as a new stadium was actually imminent, just as Saints are staying at Knowsley Road until their new stadium is imminent (although slightly different since Saints' stadium is being built at an entirely different location from Knowsley Road, hence logistically things are easier). However, the RFL have not backed off and the Crusaders' hand has been forced.'"


www.islandfarm.tv/

Are you reffering to this ? , if so this is not on the site of Brewery field therefore it does not give the Crusaders any problem staying at Brewery field until it is built , the RFL accepted Brewery field last year and until the Crusaders outgrow Brewery field there is no reason they cannot continue there
Quote: SaintsFan "You really do like being obtuse, don't you? The move to Newport was to facilitate a new stadium being built in Bridgend and it was part of the licence application. That means Crusaders had to be either in a new stadium by the three year deadline (max) or in another stadium until a new stadium was built. However, had the RFL eased off on its ridiculous demand for new stadia, especially at a time of quite awful recession, then the Crusaders could have stayed at Bridgend until such time as a new stadium was actually imminent, just as Saints are staying at Knowsley Road until their new stadium is imminent (although slightly different since Saints' stadium is being built at an entirely different location from Knowsley Road, hence logistically things are easier). However, the RFL have not backed off and the Crusaders' hand has been forced.'"


www.islandfarm.tv/

Are you reffering to this ? , if so this is not on the site of Brewery field therefore it does not give the Crusaders any problem staying at Brewery field until it is built , the RFL accepted Brewery field last year and until the Crusaders outgrow Brewery field there is no reason they cannot continue there


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Quote: SaintsFan "You really do like being obtuse, don't you? The move to Newport was to facilitate a new stadium being built in Bridgend and it was part of the licence application. That means Crusaders had to be either in a new stadium by the three year deadline (max) or in another stadium until a new stadium was built. However, had the RFL eased off on its ridiculous demand for new stadia, especially at a time of quite awful recession, then the Crusaders could have stayed at Bridgend until such time as a new stadium was actually imminent, just as Saints are staying at Knowsley Road until their new stadium is imminent (although slightly different since Saints' stadium is being built at an entirely different location from Knowsley Road, hence logistically things are easier). However, the RFL have not backed off and the Crusaders' hand has been forced.'"


If you read the RFL's notes on Crusader's licence, it said that it expected them to upgrade Brewery Field not to move.

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Quote: Hedgehog King "If you read the RFL's notes on Crusader's licence, it said that it expected them to upgrade Brewery Field not to move.'"


Point being though that if they were drawing in 3/4,000 home fans at brewery field by 2012 with another 1,500/2,000 away fans then they would still be worthy of another licence , but Brewery field would still be big enough to accomodate them , if that was to happen the RFL would have to be daft to refuse them

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Quote: SaintsFan "So? Who do you think supported the original Gateshead and the original Sheffield? Why, the RFL of course! But then they changed their agenda and decided that Hull was going downhill rapidly and so merged the Gateshead team with the Hull team to save Hull'"

Completely wrong. Backwards, in fact.

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Quote: Kosh "Completely wrong. Backwards, in fact.'"

~What? Hull were sacrificed to save Gateshead? You on drugs or something?

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rlhttps://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/rugby-league-news/2009/11/26/rugby-league-kevin-ellis-calls-crusaders-plan-a-tragedy-91466-25253709/rl

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Quote: Kosh "Completely wrong. Backwards, in fact.'"

This article seems to disprove your statement
archive.warringtonguardian.co.uk ... 26530.html
Quote: Kosh "Completely wrong. Backwards, in fact.'"

This article seems to disprove your statement
archive.warringtonguardian.co.uk ... 26530.html


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Quote: Aldy "This article seems to disprove your statement

I'd say it proved his statement actually.

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Quote: Hedgehog King "I'd say it proved his statement actually.'"


Where does the quote

But the merger has meant we have saved Hull, one of the oldest and most traditional clubs in the game, from going into liquidation.
prove his statement?

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Quote: Aldy "Where does the quote

But the merger has meant we have saved Hull, one of the oldest and most traditional clubs in the game, from going into liquidation.
prove his statement?'"


It is commonly said that the merger was Hull buying Gateshead's SL place and forcing them out of business into the bargain.

What happened was that the sides merged and the new company was to run two sides; one being Gateshead in the SL and the other Hull FC in the NFP.

Then the other clubs objected to Hull FC's inclusion in the NFP (for reasons that I don't really understand) and the upshot was that Hull took Gateshead's slot in SL as a (theoretically) merged "Gateshull".

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Quote: Hedgehog King "It is commonly said that the merger was Hull buying Gateshead's SL place and forcing them out of business into the bargain.
What happened was that the sides merged and the new company was to run two sides; one being Gateshead in the SL and the other Hull FC in the NFP.

Then the other clubs objected to Hull FC's inclusion in the NFP (for reasons that I don't really understand) and the upshot was that Hull took Gateshead's slot in SL as a (theoretically) merged "Gateshull".'"


this is getting off topic a bit but it was hull who was skint at the time of the merger so how did they buy gateshead's place and if they did, how come the new company's board of directors were pretty much all of the gateshead clubs board from the ceo down.

saints fan is right, as most people know gateshead's owners baled hull out and moved to hull as they saw a far more lucrative and long term future in running an established club with a big support rather than flogging a dead horse of trying to establish RL in the football mad north east.

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I said it would all go wrong in south wales.It a hot bed for union and cardiff and swansea doing well in the championship. Got no sympathathy bring back promotion and relegation.Make fair on all teams.We are no closer to the aussies without bringing on youth.We bring too many aussies.

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