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Quote: Starbug "

Sports clubs are ' owned ' by the fans'"



Really? Is this true for any club other than Bramley and Barcelona?

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Quote: Andy Greg "The team you support is your own choice it matters not if its 1 mile away or 200 miles away Wigan have supporters in London i was talking to a Leeds supporter that lived in Birmingham and had done all his life. This club was started in South Wales it fulfilled all the criteria for a franchise spot so how you can say it took your teams i dont know i dont agree with the decision not to remove 1 super league team and bring 3 new ones in but that was the decision of the RFL and we have to live with it.
For this great game to grow it needs to expand it cannot just live in the heartlands. We need to be exposed to a wider audience.
I personally think we should have Super league 1 and super league 2 both with 10 to 12 full time pro teams with the top 2 from SL2 being promoted and bottom 2 of SL1 going down the cap should be £2 million for SL1 and £1.6 million for SL2 and a limit of no more than 8 overseas players in any squad. That would then help to bring on our national squads. There are lots of things wrong with the way the game is run but until the RFL have a big clear out and put in people that can bring us to the next level then we have to put up with it'"


I agree with some of the things you say. Spread the game with superleague 1 and 2.I support widnes and i feel annoied we did not get a franchise.I am sure if cas,wakey,salford etc where kicked out they be complaining.The sport is getting bitter now, and i think to make fair they should always have promotion and relegation.We get told get a youth set up, and have to have 8 players in your squad.Other teams like fax dont have 8 players and if we do not get a franchise, we be better not having a youth set up.What annoys me the rfl are not fair.Out of 8 players of youth you be lucky 2 or 3 are good enough.My opinion is football and rugby union are national sports and league will not take over from it.To be honest if widnes moved to birmingham i would never go to watch them.Some people would but not as many as been in the same town.

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Quote: celticcrusader "My club has moved to Wrexham, they had no chioce, no one in South Wales wanted to help us. '"


Debatable. The old club under Turner had a track record for spinning the truth as you well know. I'd imagine that the new club under Turner may well use the same model for obfuscation.


Quote: celticcrusader "I am unhappy but I still have my season ticket and will travel to all matches, but then i used to travel home and away last season. '"


Yep I recall you did. If you're happy with this new club, then great.


Quote: celticcrusader "As Ben Flower said in the paper on Saturday (Daily Post i think), "I'm sure the loyal South Wales supporters will travel and support the club they love".
Too bloody right, they are still our club.'"


Well if Ben Flower said it, then it MUST be true. It's his accurate assessments of people he's known for after all! This new club may well be YOUR club. I couldn't possible agree that they're mine.

Quote: celticcrusader "No club ever keeps the same players or coaching staff for an indefinite amount of time and if we did, we would be wooden spoon holders again this season.'"


But most of them at least keep the same colours, name, home and supporters.
what makes you think that you WON'T be wooden spoon holders this season? The CELTIC Crusaders did better in their first away match to Leeds AND their first home match against 'ull FC.

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Quote: Grendel "J.C.

Anger. Just anger. The lover Moss stole my club and moved it up North.

It looks like it might, MIGHT prove a success with a large crowd (that DID contain thousands of kids - but should not be diminished as a result of that) like the one against Leeds. It looks like it might go on to bigger and better things.

But it is STILL a club he stole. To buy the club and let it play in its natural home is one thing. To up sticks, say f u c k you to the supporters that were loyal for the previous 5 years and f u c k off 150 miles away is moral theft if it is not legal theft.

So just anger. Possibly some hatred as well.

Not fear. Why would I "fear" the Wrexham Crusaders? I've been abandoned by "my" club. What more can these new pretenders do?

Not jealousy. I don't envy the Wrexham Crusaders supporters because I detest their club. Why would I be jealous about not being involved in what I detest.

Purely anger.

I won't lie. I hope they collapse. I hope that just for once in an arbitrary, amoral universe the dirty dealers get just what they deserve. I am realistic enough to know that there is no such thing as justice (natural or otherwise). But I still hope for it.

SCREW the Wrexham Crusaders.'"
it was only anger that was aimed at you grendel.fwiw mate if my club ever moved,merged or was took over by another club it would never be my club again.if this project works in wrexham & the scorpions grow to a level were they are good enough & welsh enough to apply for a SL license then i think that would be fantastic for RL in general.as for jealousy thats aimed at quinns based in one of the biggest citys in the world and can still only muster 3000 home fans when this new club on the borders of the heartlands brings in 10500.as for fear,how many SL clubs are praying wrexham go tits up?

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To Grendel

Just out of curiosity, if Leighton Samuel had been successful in moving Crusaders to Newport, which is about 30 miles away I think, would you have still supported them?

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jc, fair enough mate, I take your point. I think I was just smarting because the season started with the WC and I was not watching RL like I should have been.

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Wrexham goon, I think you've hit the nail on the head there. It's mostly about mileage. I was not overly happy about the Newport move, but felt I couldn't really complain about 30 miles so went to RP and despite all the knackers about the UKBA six and the subsequent stuffing we took, I was raw from the singing (I was stood near Crucrucru for much of it - even though now we are in opposition in our views) in support of our beleaguered club. It had been a hard season on AND off the field, but there was a stubborn unity amongst the fans. 30 miles was nothing. Newport was our new home (for 2 years until we returned to a new stadiun in Bridgend Turner assured us).

Then we were flogged off to Moss and the remnants of the team were spirited off 150 miles away.

I CAN'T do a 300 mile journey every 2 weeks. Unlike many of the childless supporters, the retired supporters or the spoiled brats of well off parents (Hill), I have neither the time nor the money. Well I have the money, but other things that the family enjoy would suffer instead.

HOWEVER WG, I could hypocritically justify accepting all the other shiit, if the club were CLOSER.

So yes, in short, it's all about the mileage.

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Just to bring this back on topic what a great start to the season for the club at it's new home.

A sell out that was never close in South Wales when at Brewery Field and a very spirited performance that was very encouraging. Holding the champions and matching them for 65 minutes is no disgrace having had no pre season friendlies. Great hope for the season ahead.

What with the Scorpions starting off in Neath and Crusaders getting such an impressive crowd the future of Welsh Rugby League certainly looks bright.

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Quote: crucrucrusaders "Just to bring this back on topic what a great start to the season for the club at it's new home.

A sell out that was never close in South Wales when at Brewery Field and a very spirited performance that was very encouraging. Holding the champions and matching them for 65 minutes is no disgrace having had no pre season friendlies. Great hope for the season ahead.

What with the Scorpions starting off in Neath and Crusaders getting such an impressive crowd the future of Welsh Rugby League certainly looks bright.'"



So lets have a look at this 'bright start for Welsh Rugby League' in a little more detail.

A club full of illegal Australians which couldnt survive in South Wales moved to North Wales, changed names, hired more Australians to replace the illegal ones where they are ground sharing with a football team. Record so far...played 1....lost 1 ... points difference... minus 28. One Welsh player in the side that got whipped by Leeds.

My god. I would hate to see what a bad start looked like. eusa_wall.gif

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Can somebody ban this pillock?

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Quote: crucrucrusaders "Can somebody ban this pillock?'"



Why??

It's true?!!

It's true and you know it is!!

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Quote: crucrucrusaders "Just to bring this back on topic..............'"


Mate, it was never off topic.

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Quote: crucrucrusaders "Can somebody ban this pillock?'"


Go into his profile, look under his avatar then add foe, and all his post vanish.


Trolls away!

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Quote: Grendel "Mate, it was never off topic.'"


What talking about distance being the reason you don't support the club anymore isn't off the topic of 'A sell out likely'?

I think it is. Quite a way off topic to be honest.

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Quote: crucrucrusaders "What talking about distance being the reason you don't support the club anymore isn't off the topic of 'A sell out likely'?

I think it is. Quite a way off topic to be honest.'"


It's still linked to the original topic and arguing about it won't make any difference

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Quote: Pete_Zatoppin "It's still linked to the original topic and arguing about it won't make any difference'"


Who asked you ya t1t?

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