Wakefield are more likely to fold, all things considered.

Though I don't want any club to go under - including celtic!

I wouldn't throw too much behind Samuel in the slightest! Didn't the Union team trust him to keep bailing them out? How much has he invested to SL side, a marque player for example? He's sold ground for his own profit already... hmm...

Good to read.

FWIW, I doubt anybody are going bust, its probably just the usual internet forum winkers.

Blakejake, given that in a previous thread you've said he's your brother and now your saying he's not, which one of your statements on this thread is a lie?

A lot of clubs are teetering on the edge. It was only just over a year ago Widnes were belly up and in administration, Doncaster are in big trouble, a lot more of clubs in the Championship are just managing to survive, Rochdale were in administration last year. Leeds are the richest club in the league and they still play in a hole of a stadium with uncovered terracing and earlier this season half the main stand was cordoned off out of use due to failing a safety inspection. I would like to know how many clubs are really struggling??

i would agree with suggestions previously that if a SL club is about to pop, chances are Wakey rather than anyone else.

Other than that, I am growing to dispise Widnes "fans" over the whole fanchise issue.

Good luck Celtic, heres hopeing to a good end to your season.

And why is that then?

Most Widnes fans have gotten over the licence decision, but I can still see why certain things upset the minority. Go back to when SL was 1st brought in - Widnes were told "no you're not in" then told "yes you've got a place guaranteed" only then to be told "no you're not in". I mean look at some of the sides that were chosen back then: Paris, Workington, Oldham, Sheffield, Halifax. We had been World Champions and Challenge Cup finalists just a few years previously. Fast forward to 2005 and any other year finishing 11th wouldn't have seen you get relegated, Widnes did because the RFL wanted to introduce Catalans. Move on to 2008 and Widnes again get shunned, this time in favour of Celtic. Widnes had one major negative in the licence application, several clubs had quite a few negatives. Widnes were told no SL because of previous finances - what about stadium quality, crowds, youth development etc. When the licence idea 1st came about a lot of people said its a sham and the RFL will just pick who they want regardless of the criteria - most people said it would be the same 12 plus Salford and Celtic before the licences even went in. What was the point in the Widnes chairman spending around a million pound on improving the stadium, when all Salford had to do was hire a portocabin and stand in a field and go "look what were building". Despite people banging on for years about stadium quality, it appears several clubs were given the benefit of the doubt. Widnes weren't given the benefit of the doubt over finances, even with the offer of a half a million pound bond upfront to guarantee security.

Now I have nothing particularly against Celtic, but a) Why can't some other team take the hit next time instead of us and b) Widnes fans may moan a lot but in all honesty we have had quite a lot to moan about - whats the odds Toulouse get a licence ahead of Widnes next time round?

What other side has been shafted by the RFL on 3 seperate occasions: We've been shunned in favour of Paris, Les Catalans and Celtic? Surely we can't get done over again?

Widnes are not a perfect club by any means and we certainly don't have a god given right to SL, but given the fact whats happened in the past, you would hope that the RFL will give us a break. Until then though I'm sure no-one at the club expects to be given any favours, so we'll just have to keep plugging away and banging on the SL door.

Most proper RL fans wish you well and i will be bringing a car load of fans down your way in September and will do everything we can to support you.'"

Why do so many people think Wakey are in peril? Being fair to them their crowds surpass Quins and Celts.

It's just pathetic¬! I go on bbc board and you can't say a thing without people saying... oh I am fed up of all this Widnes moaning, even though if you look back at my posts etc there's virtually none!

Widnes fans can't comment on Wakey / Celtic and or stadiums / attendances without being ridiculed but it's ok for Cas / Leeds / Saints fans to do so

Boo frickety hoo. I'm sure we won't lose any sleep over it.

Keep up with the hate filled delusion if it makes you feel like your life is worth living. You talk complete uninformed cockles on these forums.

As 90% of Widnes fans will tell you, we've moved on, maybe you should do the same.

Fuck me, lets all bow to you then oh holy one.

Read this morons posts elsewhere on the forums. I've never seen such one eyed, ill informed bull.

Thing is, people consistently bring US up and then complain when we reply. We're brought into discussions we are no where near being relevant to by people like this dick head and we get frowned upon for reacting.

Doesn't work that way I'm afraid.