Actually i know you are wrong. You complete moron. Ok i'll take the time to take you apart.

1. The RFL has played it pretty smartly by the looks of it. Bitch about Cardiff, take it away, so cardiff wants it back and should promote it themselves. Yeah i can see how the RFL ed that one up. Looks like they have got the best of both ends. I love the way you seem to spout like it's fact too. Hillarious. The RFL shouldn't have to advertise around cardiff. They did a good job on Sky sports and in the papers telling people it was on. Cardiff couldn't give a ( probably the union idiots), so they missed out on a goldmine for a millenium stadium that has to be rented by the national team lol. It might actually be a good idea to put it in the middle of the six nations on the week off. Cardiff will hopefully still be buzzing from a couple of Wales Wins, and will just want to keep the booze train going through the 8 weeks that the six nations is on. An afternoon out in the millenium watching rugby is all the same.

2. I knew this. All your arguments have all come back to this. You are still a bitter little nobody that can't take the move to wrexham was the only option for the team, and can't get it through your thick skull that without Moss and wrexham the crusaders wouldn't have a team. It's hillarious that you seem to call it "treachory". So let me ask you this. For 95% of fans, would you rather have a super league team or not?

THERE WAS NO FINANCIAL BACKER THAT WANTED US IN SOUTH WALES YOU GOON. WITHOUT WREXHAM STEPPING IN WE HAVE NOTHING, NADA, NOUGHT. But thats probably what you want, because you are just some bitter idiot. Yeah sure we had offers for the crusaders in the south, but samuel was never going to have to deal with the debt himself. So no one wanted the massive debt that samuel amassed because he is a retarded businessman.

3. Could you show me who was going to finance these new stadium plans? Hell why not show me the plans they had for a new stadium. I want definite plans, not just a couple of idea's that were posted in the papers. There was never any intention to build a new stadium in bridgend. Bridgend council didn't even want the new stadium. Shows how pathetic it all is.

4. The average attendance isn't 600 fans better off a game at all. Without the games in South Wales( which no one came too, because it wasn't advertised yet again) the average attendance for wrexham is 5209. Thats with Two massive Gates on the way. The saints game should bring in upwards of 8000, with well over 4000 sold already without the away support, and the hull game should bring in a minimum of 5000. Were does that leave your extra 600 fans? In wrexham there is an average fanbase for the crusaders of 3000-35000 fans, exactly the same as down here, in their first season. We had 3 seasons to build a fanbase, and people were still bitter that samuel owned the team.

5. So if you follow rugby league, how come your not interested in the scorpions? why bother to come to a message board to troll, i don't really understand. Is it because you have nothing better to do now since you don't follow the crusaders and can't bitch and moan about anything?

6. So whats going on then grendal. You will probably out and not reply to this message because deep down, under all the desperate denial, you KNOW I'm right.

No, they didn't want to pay one their own advertising budget when they had the option of someone else doing it for them, and paying them more money to stage the event there. There was no reason for the event to stay in Cardiff. It made every sense to move the event to Edinburgh, I'm not sure why you can't understand this.
As Spongolium says, there were no buyers for the club in South Wales, the only buyer was in Wrexham. The club had the option of relocating to Wrexham or going bust. You must have been told this at least 20 times. Dismiss it as being a lie if you want, but the fact is that you have yet to inform any of us the identity of this mystery buyer who could have kept the Crusaders in South Wales, and nor did they identify themselves to the club. If there were any other buyers in the South then they would have surely been used, can you give any reasons why the club would relocate hundreds of miles away if they had the option to stay where they were?

I've never read the club trumpeting that they moved to Wrexham for greater attendances, nor have they criticised the fans from the South. Why would they ever want to do that? You've completely made that up. A lot of them still travel to watch the games.
I don't 'know' you're right. You are a paranoid, over-dramatic idiot.

Spongy, I TRIED reading your post, but you seemed to get more enraged with every word and, like your team's management strategy, it became an incoherent mess. Don't try to argue mate. You don't have the ability. If that is what you call taking someone apart I pity you. to quote Mumford and sons "Tremble little Lion man, you'll never settle any of your scores".

Headhunter, what can I say? You spout lies lies and more lies. Keep doing it though. If you repeat it often enough it may become truth. I won't bother responding to the drivel that makes up the majority of your ridiculous post, but as regards your last and, as usual vastly inaccurate , statement.
1) I am not paranoid. You and Spongy and others ARE "out to get me" for my comments. That you are laughable little 2@s without the wit to do so doesn't change that fact.
2) I am not over dramatic. I am merely eloquent and like a good argument.
3) I am no idiot. That you are unable to understand my velid and incisive points suggests that there is ONE idiot in this little bicker and it ain't me.

Now SURELY that's gotta be worth a ban.

Tell you what though Spongy and Helmethunter, just to correct some of your lies:-
1. The buyer in South Wales was a Bridgend bid led by an ex-Crusaders club member, and backed by certain very successful businessmen and ex-rugby players. It is not my place to name them. No doubt you will deny this because that is what phuknuts like you always do.
2. Bridgend WERE keen to have the new stadium. It was all going ahead nicely until Samule, at Turnip's behest looked at a different site and a different developer. OBVIOUSLT the working drawings weren't done Spongy you 2@! The thing hadn't got to planning by the time your club had phukked off. But I could name the company and probably the design team if it did not break a confidence. If there were drawings, I COULD show them to you but you'd still not understand them. The fundng was to be part European area 1 funding, part clubs that were to use the stadium and part council. When the Crusaders shcat out, it all came tumbling down.
3. So you ARE claiming the 2 novelty matches to your average game attendance then? How doshonest of you. Well if you're doing that you have to count the shytte attendances at Neef too. Your attendances are no better than Bridgend's were.

Other than that, good effort (for idiots).

So in this case, why did the backer not put in a bid for the club? And if he did, then why did they choose to ignore it and move hundreds of miles away to a completely alien area instead of staying and building on the work that they had done? It would have been much easier to keep the club in South Wales if there was a buyer there. The fact that there wasn't any sort of concrete bid and that the club was about to go bust seems to have evaded you.
That's one of the best comments I have read on this forum. Tongue-in-cheek, surely?

While I disagree with much of the sentiment that Grendel uses in this topic and others, he is right regards the potential buyers for the Celtic Crusaders franchise. There was a bid from a Bridgend based consortium, infact afterwards said consortium is supposed to have put a bid forward to set up a Championship 1 club playing out of the Brewery Field , but of course this went to the Neath based consortium thanks to the RFL. The potential buyers for the Celtic Crusaders franchise in the South were willing to buy the franchise but NOT willing to cover the debts accumilated by Samuel, only Wrexham were willing to do so ,so took the franchise by default practically. The youth development and playing base is all still in South Wales, the vast majority of fans are in North Wales, the problem is having both in the same place.

So it was not a viable option then considering the club was about to go into liquidation.

Where do you get "about to go into liquidation" from, you sagging old lady breast?

Samuel wanted out. The consortium did not want to pick up Samuel's debts and wanted Turner out. Ergo, Samuel wanted someone else to pick up after his latest mess and Turner wanted to keep his job. THIS and ONLY this is the reason the club fecked off to Wrexham.

This is all well known in South Wales. 'm surprised a RL forum moderator who claims to live down south managed to MISS such a signifcant piece of information.

(PS you really ARE easy to manipulate. You'd have locked this thread long ago if I hadn't suggested you would and challeneged you to do so. This may go some way to explaining why you so easily accept the mob explanation over facts.)

You grendal are a out. Nothing else. You can't argue your point at all, so you resorted to moving around every single point that i made. So that makes you, a out. Wouldn't expect anything more for you though mate. It's just funny watching you troll on a forum, for something you " don't care about".

It also prooves that you don't understand how the business world works. You ing idiot. Samuel was not going to sell the crusaders unless someone took on his massive debt that he accumalated. This means, that without a buyer that was going to do this, the club was going to go into liquidation, because he didn't want the club anymore. They could of had a million offers from a south wales consortium, but unless any of them were willing to take on the debt from samuel, then the club was going into liquidation, as they would of had no money, no ground, no players to keep the club going. You tool

I'm surprised that an idiotic south wales fan such as yourself missed all this. You make me laugh. Obviously trying to stir up on a forum.

"Ergo, Samuel wanted someone else to pick up after his latest mess and Turner wanted to keep his job. THIS and ONLY this is the reason the club fecked off to Wrexham."

Where is your proof by the way. I haven't seen anything from it yet. You are just spouting . Maybe you should stop now

Spongy you dozy Gog Ratshagger, calm the pheck down or you'll have an embolism and let's face it you clearly can't spare the brain cells.
You REALLY think Samuel, if he couldn't offload his debt would rather go into liquidation than flog off what he could and mitigate the debts? So he'd take enoromous losses rather than break even / take a small loss? And YOU, laughably as usual, claim I don't understand business?!

Mate swapping coloured pebbles for sheep fleeces is not "business" outside of north wales. So honestly, you simply make yourself look foolish pretending you understand.
Also playing the "I laugh at you" card whilst raging like you clearly are only makes you look even more foolish.

Add to this your atrocious grammar and spelling "could of" "prooves" (sic) and mate, you look like you sneaked into the shallow end of the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn't looking.

And then FINALLY, you try the "you haven't even shown me any proof" card. The last desperate gambit of a complete windowlicker.

I think if you went to a naturalist (that's an epxert on flora and fauna not a nudist - you're so phukkin' thick i thought I should clarify that), you'd probably be downgraded from an animal to a vegetable you're that stupid.

Over to you Spongy

Spongy said

Clearly worked then. I stirred you up

While we're on the subject of poor spelling

Geez I need a better hobby than this. !

Samuel could not afford to pay the debts. He could not afford to pay the players or run the club anymore, hence the need to sell. He fled to Dubai for a week when the RFL found out his financial status, prior to that he had been continuing to try and run the club, even convincing Noble and co to move to South Wales. Do you think he would have done that if he had 'wanted' out? If no one had picked up his debts, then the club could not have continued to exist, because it was GOING BUST. Turner had nothing to do with selling the club, he wasn't the owner. I'm not sure who this is 'well known' amongst other than yourself, since you have entirely made it up.
Apart from the fact that there is (unfortunately) nothing in the AUP against talking garbage and so no reason for the thread to be locked or your posts to be removed, I'm not even a moderator on this forum so couldn't if I wanted to.