We would only have a professional club in the town if another backer came in. Like I said, we almost went into administration in 2002. Our ground devours resources while producing virtually no income to speak of (because it's falling apart). Saints are not a rich club. Leeds are probably the only rich club in the whole of Superleague and even they had to sell off the cricket ground next door.

We average about 10,000 fans a match this season. We now have seven home matches plus any CC games (revenue split between clubs) and play off games (money to RFL I believe - so they cost, they don't generate). We are a town of 180,000 people but few now actively support the Saints. Most who do support the team, except if we make it to Wembley, prefer to do so in front of a TV screen, either in a pub or in their living rooms. That wouldn't change if our chairman left. We wouldn't suddenly have revenue pouring in from a huge fanbase. We would probably go bust, simples. However, with a new stadium, we may - just may - have a chance, as that could generate income independently.

However, I would agree that Celtic are in a more precarious position simply because they do not have the history and resulting local reputation to assist them in times of trouble. Therefore, it is probably more likely that we would find another backer simply because we have been around since RL began whereas you are new to the scene and so don't have that same background to rely upon.

Having said all of that, I don't want Celtic to fail. I want the Crusaders to succeed and I'm trying to be positive as an outsider because I think Cru fans need to keep having positive thoughts about the future even though things have probably not gone the way everyone was hoping they would at the outset. Things will change once the squad can start producing a goodly number of wins. That's likely to be next season (although hopefully, now that you've played us twice!, there will be a couple more wins before the end of this season) I'm sure your backer will stick with you and begin to see positive returns on his investment next year.

But still at a totally different level to Celtic

And the point also being , there would be another backer

Think youself lucky , you try running a club in a council ' facility ' that you have to pay rent to play in , you cannot train in it , no gym , no income from any sales , no shop , pay rental for your offices , no SKY money , no away fans , no stadium sponsorship and no future

Oh, believe me, I know we have been lucky. We were rescued. By a guy with a lot of passion for RL and for St Helens who happened to be very wealthy and a very, very astute business man. Yes, we are lucky. We are also lucky to own the ground we play in, even if it is literally falling down around us. I agree with you entirely on that point.

Dont care rfl helping hand once again?Why not help halifax,widnes or doncaster when needed.I got no time for this corruption in the game and dont give a hoot.

Getting 10,000 fans in 10 years time would be very optimistic considering our union sides such as the one here in Cardiff which reached the European Cup Semi final last season only average around 10,000 forthe first time since the 'regions' were invented in 2003, the Ospreys with all their talent (AND GAVIN HENSON WHO WATCHES MANY CRUSADERS HOME MATCHES) only get around 7,000 and the other two are largely deemed as being failures in terms of success and crowds .


The Welsh people seem to love a spectacle when it comes to Rugby Union ,the national side can fill a 75,000 seat stadum on a fairly regular basis yet the professional game is not great due to the extensive local TV . coverage. One week Cardiff Blues attract 45,000 for a European Cup match , the next they can't scrape 6000 in a local derby against Newport. The 'establishment' here seems to still hold a grudge against League but many people's attitudes are changing . Newport RU have been very helpful in developing local links in the area and providing support to our club for the Leeds match.

All clubs regardless of the sport are suffering at the moment.We all knew it would be hard down here but I didn't think it would be this hard but if we get through it we will be all the stronger for it.

If we are able to build the links now in the area across Wales and the South West then we have something strong and built to last. Some clubs like Widnes and Leigh have those links through their hisory and local culture , and hopefully one day so will we. That is how Rugby League will survive and potential flourish as a sport , that goes for heartland clubs as well as us.

Do you not think Newport might just think ey up lads heres a good way to make a load of dosh in "our closed "season out of them "flatcappers"??

Don't Whelan and the people at the KC stadium do exactly the same?

Money makes the world go round.

Celtic Crusaders = Joke.

Nobody in RL really cares about you and despite the RFL trying to bail you out, you will undoubtedly fail.

Give me 'Fax, Widnes or Leigh any day of the week.

Mickey Mouse joke club (that's not actually at all funny).

Enjoy your pitiful existence ya leek-munching interlopers.

Encouraged. I see your words but all that reaches the brain is you saying "waah waah waah! i want everybody to love my game but I don't want any non-northern team to be allowed to play"

You can have 'Fax Leigh and Widnes. I'm sure they'd be grateful for your support.

out of interest what club is that starbug and how did you end up in that situation?

Potentially Cassandra yes , but at the stage we're at now we're hardly going to be a hige cash cow for them.

I think its more to the fact that the great League and Union player ( the Only man to have captained both 'Lions' sides) DAVID WATKINS is involved with Newport RU and would be very happy to help us and see a game that gave him and many other fans up north such joy., succeed.

Also Newport play in black and gold so not much cosmetic work needs to be done to the ground!

Good point.

Leigh Centurions in the worlds newest RL stadium but a club without a future