Just thought id give it a try.

Good effort.

I particularly like the way the stadium in the background shows the crowd for the upcoming Crusaders v Catalans home match.

You aren't Doris Stokes by any chance are you?

Pity the RFL didn't see this

That is one version of the "facts". Put out by Mike Turner. The same Mike Turner who made endless statements of the "facts" last year that didn't exactly reflect reality.av Have a word with Dai Watkins about "The" Crusaders' honesty. You know who he is yes?



I suppose to those who, against all evidence, trust what the club says it would seem bizarre yes.

Though I am going to the Scorpions, I don't see why you would presume so: I am done with the Wrexham Crusaders ergo I would go and see their feeder club. Nah not a logical conclusion mate.

Those 'facts' have nothing to do with Mike Turner. The fact is that Leighton Samuel was one step above a con man and did not have the money to support the club - players were regularly not paid on time last year, and the RFL had crisis teams in Bridgend for most of the year. Then, when the full extent of Samuel's financial state was discovered, he conveniently went 'on holiday' to Dubai and could not be contacted for weeks. I do not know why this was not picked up by the RFL at the time of the license decision, but it obviously wasn't. Moss was the only potential buyer, and the club would no longer exist if he hadn't stepped in since there was no source of money in South Wales. Do you think that the club just decided to move hundreds of miles away from all their fans and infrastructure, or that the RFL would allow this and think it was a logical option? Particularly as they had already announced a move to Newport? I appreciate that you may not like or trust Mike Turner, but that's no reason to assume that everything he says is 100% the opposite of the truth, as you seem to have done here.

And I know full well who Dai Watkins is, my father was at Featherstone for his first ever game of Rugby League. I don't know what he has said about the Crusaders and frankly I'm not bothered as it doesn't change the truth.
What evidence do you have to the contrary then?

I guess you're right and I was harsh but the fact remains that he shouldn't have acted so unprofessionally over the last year.

Totally agree headhunter.

The fact he wriggled and was very cloak and dagger with the RFL made them think we had the money to give Super League a proper go down here. Put simply I don't think he did or the financial climate soon meant he couldn't give it the go he had originally set out to.

I am grateful he gave us Crusaders and enjoyed the rise through the leagues but can't help thinking virtually every aspect of our Super League effort last year could have been done a lot better.

About three quarters through last season I said to quite a few friends that if we moved or our licence was taken away I would not have minded so much if we had a real go at it and failed. The sad fact of the matter is we tried to approach Super League and do things off the field like an amateur rugby union club. We couldn't have hoped to survive going about things like that.

Which tells us what ? , that basically you were not ready , which was plain to see , especially to those of us who had been through it all with Leigh 4 years ago , I knew we werent ready then and it wasn't difficult to see that Celtic also were not ready

This is why I criticise the sports management as I do , they ignore things at all levels

I thought we were ready and I also thought Samuel had the money, which is what it comes down to if we're honest, to get in the players, spend close to the cap and do things well with regards to marketing and merchandise.

How wrong I was, even in these basic areas.

Truth is whats really annoying him atm is the 10k that turned up on Friday. Yes its a one off more than likely. But i do think Wigan, Saints, Wire and 1 or 2 more will get over 7k. Also they moved North where no one watches Rugby League or so people presume. Up here the WRU has starved the region.

After all on Friday there was a sort of a Derby in South Wales. 2 union sides in the top division they can play in and the managed 6.5k. If Crusaders get some decent results and im fairly certain Noble will at least improve on Crusaders position last season. Noble given 2-3 seasons will turn your side into a good team. Wether RFL lets them have time is anopther option.

But at least financially you look safer up here than down South.

no Tank,

As Wrexham Goon correctly identified, truth is what's really annoying me is that what's left of my club is now 150 miles away.


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Aaron, this is an edited post from the one I originally put up. It leaves some of your responses unanswered, which is quite hard for me because backing off does not come natural. But make no mistake, this is not capitulation in the face of your supreme debating skills. I stand by everything I previously said. I am simply ending it because it's just the same old loop and the new Wrexham fans had no part in the vandalism done to my club, so am giving them the opportunity to enjoy this site and have their own arguments without my intervention.

And make no mistake, this is not an olive branch. I don't want to be pals. You took umbrage at some comments I made about a sports club and made it personal by libelling me. I'm not saying stay out of my way at the Gnoll or otherwise implying any menace. I'm simply saying that you gave me cause to dislike you personally and so to avoid future unpleasantness its best that we don't communicate further.