Since nobody at the Wrexham Crusaders wants anything to do with the club that actually WON its franchise place, can we get the badge of the original team off this page?

I still have a REAL Crusaders top I want to wear and would rather not be affiliated to this team that masquerades as us when it wants and then damns us when it is expedient.

Good luck with your first year of our franchise and all, but we want our badge back.

I think you need an operation to have that big chip removed from your shoulder

More cheese with your whine?

Steal any good teams lately?

You don't WANT any part of the REAL history of the REAL club it seems, so give us our badge back.
Nice to see you so smug and gloaty at stealing our fanchise. I can't wait for the end of next year's season when the RFL doesn't renew our franchise that you are currently using.

You should be moaning to Leighton Samuel and his broken promises! Hardly stolen if he wanted to cash in on it because he couldn't take them any further.

btw plenty of original "true" Crusaders fan here in Wrexham tonight, we aren't selfish up here in North Wales plenty of room for all of Wales to get behind the team.

Oh believe me, Samuel is no friend of mine.

But it ABSOLUTELY IS theft.

Moss bought the club, wound up the company, formed a new companty called Wrexham Crusaders and changed everything except 10 players one word in the team name and mike effing Turner.

Many people buy into clubs. To do what Moss did, whilst legal, is tantamount to theft.

btw I bet I could name EVERY supporter of the original Crusaders that went to Wrexham. 20 people is hardly plenty. But it seems the theft is currently working. That was a good attendance. Even though I despise the vandalism done to my club and loathe the THIEF Moss, I would not suggest you newbies are anything other than "true" fans. We all have to start somewhere. Unfortunately as a result of the filthy deal done by Samuel and Moss, SOME of us have to end somewhere too.

Good luck supporting the new club that is using our franchise and to the 20 who have transferred from Celtic Crusaders to the new club, but isnce it has no respect for the old club or its history, I'd still like OUR club badge off YOUR club site.

Grendel, I thought you had denounced all links with the club, so why are you still talking about them?

Geoff Moss in fact saved the franchise, and the club, rather than doing a Samuel and not paying anyone and running the club into the ground. The fact you would rather us have no club than a club 3 hours away says a lot.

By the way, Friday night was a fantastic occasion. The players really appreciated us travelling from South Wales, even those who joined those damned 'ANZACS' (or whatever you insist on calling them on the South Wales site) after their reincarnation in Wrexham.

Onwards and upwards. We're going to the playoffs this year, with or without you.

Onwards and upwards . Next stop Cumbria eh ? Groundsharing with Whitehaven next season ?
3 seasons after that you gonna be travelling by boat to 'home' matches .
Grendel has a good point . Imagine Wigan moving to a ground in Hull (similar distance ? ) . Change everything about the club except ten or so of the squad . How many Wigan fans would be happy with that ?

I'm guessing not many .

AJH I'm still talking about them because I WANT to.
Is that okay with you? It's my legal right isn't it? Free speech? Nice to see you still spinning the bollards about Geoff Moss though. I don't know if it's because you actually DON'T know the truth or you say what you do because it's expedient. Given what you are training as, I have my suspicions.

You're going to the playoffs this year eh? You'll enjoy that.... You can sit with the team to watch it.

Oh and AJH, I think you've got something on the end of your nose ...

Oh it's okay, it's only geoff Moss' shiit!

I find it hard to understand how you can turn on the team, this was LS's fault, again.

If you no longer want to support the Crusaders carry on but why spout so much crap? If you did love them for five years, supposedly said by you, i find it unbelievable that you have not only turned your back on them but wish them to fail?

If you can't afford to travel, that would be understandable and you could wish them the best but the instant dislike that you have shown makes me wonder, did you really support this team?

If all else fails, revert to personal insults eh?

As for the whole free speech thing, I just find it ironic and slightly hypocritical that you were always one of the first to tell Widnes/Leigh/whoever else's fans to scoot off of our board if they were winding you up, but now you're hear doing the same.

Your 'truths' probably differ very much from the actual truth, as do most people's. None of us will know the real truth, but I suppose knowing a few people at BFL and around Bridgend means you're privy to information nobody else is.

I suppose all will revealed in this 'explicit' money-spinner 'Sir' Gerald McCarthy and Kevin Ellis are releasing.

I appreciate that you are upset, but I think you really need to get a grip. The club had literally no option but to move North, because of Samuels appalling management the club would have gone bust. Would you have preferred that, considering that it would probably have been the end of RL in Wales? As it is, there is now a clear path for junior players, a sound base to build from in Wrexham and a new club in South Wales. I can understand if you do not wish to follow the Crusaders any more, but your continued bitterness and hatred is quire bizarre now considering the facts are available for all to see. Presumably you will be supporting the Scorpions?

Just thought id give it a try.

Good effort.

I particularly like the way the stadium in the background shows the crowd for the upcoming Crusaders v Catalans home match.

You aren't Doris Stokes by any chance are you?